Based on my own knowledge, unicus, that number seems just about right. i think more and more woman these days seem to be retaining their maiden name upon marriage<shrugs>

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A single instance of a hyphenated credit for this person????  Are you seriously arguing that that is all the proof required to show that she legally uses her maiden name as part of a double-barreled last name.

If I show you an instance of where soemone's name is actually mis-spelled in a movie's credits, will you also acept that as prrof that all the other spellings are incorrect?

Apples and oranges.  Spelling is covered by the rules.  We have to enter the name exactly as it is spelled in the credits.  Correct or incorrect, it doesn't matter.  All versions go into the pot and we link based on the most commonly credited form.

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If so, your standards of proof are woefully wanting, IMHO.

Since parsing is not covered by the rules, nor is a standard of proof set, each person will have to decide what is and isn't enough.  If this standard isn't enough for someone, they are free to vote 'no'.  At that point it is up to the screeners to decide whether or not it is enough.

The point, which for some reason you are ignoring, is that errors are made in film credits all the time.  One instance where this person is shown with her last name hyphenated in a film's credit, proves nothing.

I've done a little research while reading this thread, and from what little info I could find, it could be parsed either way.

For E/C/K:
http://wwwdb.oscars.org:8100/servlet/impc.NameCredits?vetted=T&name_in=KENDALL,~ELAINE~CORRAL

http://mills-peninsula.org/healthpoint/spr05/elaine.html

For E/C K
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/20/BAGBD2F5MT1.DTL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTVU#Former

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I've done a little research while reading this thread, and from what little info I could find, it could be parsed either way.

For E/C/K:
http://wwwdb.oscars.org:8100/servlet/impc.NameCredits?vetted=T&name_in=KENDALL,~ELAINE~CORRAL

http://mills-peninsula.org/healthpoint/spr05/elaine.html

For E/C K
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/20/BAGBD2F5MT1.DTL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTVU#Former

Looks to me like we have a coin toss, but of the four sources the most cridibility would seem to fall with Academy..

And still no one addresses my comments regarding FamilyProfiler, or why is it so darn important in Profiler to get the "correct"name versus the correct appearance, even from a linking viewpoint correct appearance works just as well "correct" parsing. I can't figure it out because of the passions that seem to be involved, this issue like the Asian Name issue some people seem to view as a personal sleight and that confuses me. What relevance is to profiler if she is listed as E/C/K versus E/C-K, I thiought you wanted a linking system and that is what it is for isn't it.?

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I agree with you in principle, Unicus. Exceopt that you said for better or worse, I think it is for better clearly, you and both have been through the Wild West Profiler days, where users created all sorts of imaginary for their purposes, including some very bizarre sorts, and the Online was all but completely useless. Now we have a standard that is based on ACTUAL data from the ONLY source that should be used by anyone, including those in love with IMDb. To those who want the user-imagined data, let me ask you one simple question, what movie did you or IMDb ever make that gives you the authority to say that you are more correct than the people who actually made the film and provided the data....answer NONE. There is real dat provided with every movie and i am astounded at those who believe that they know much more than the people who actually made the film, that to me is just arrogance beyond arrogance. Some even believe, erroneously, that they can divine typos in films, which may or may not be true but we also have a way of handling such issues, without deviating from the data, it is called the CLT, the linking system, the relationship system whatever. It doesn't work right now because people are willing to accept less than what the Rules call for, but if everyone followed the Rules AS CREDITED eventually this would iron itself out.

No exceptions for any user or any Region/Locality. Follow the data and watch how much better things get. Those who currently wanting to throw whatever they want in ther, will be amazed and I daresay astounded, if they would only go by too simple words and one tire worn cmputer phrase As Credited WSIWYT. Try it, I dare you and if everyone does , I guarantee that in a year, you will see a massive improvement and 90% of these arguments will become HISTORY. Following the Rules is not hard, I have done it for three years now, it takes time but it is not hard.

And then we can focus on some really thorny issues, such as Native Names and how best to deal with them without departing from the hard data, I think this may be best left on the table for now, til we see what Ken does when he revisits the link system. I do want to see this resolved...patience.

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While all this bickering is lovely, the outcome is truly horrible. Currently there are 13 votes for one option, and 14 for the other. I still have that contribution pending (containing an E/C/K entry), now with two "no"-votes. She also appears in three other films in my database, which, depending on which way I go, I would also want to change the parsing of. Judging from these poll results, that isn't going to be easy: it seems I'm bound to get "no"-votes either way...     

We really HAVE to be able to resolve these issues, or else we're going to be stuck with multiple, non-linking entries for the same people for all eternity. I'm willing to either way, really I do, as long as I can be consistent, and can easily fix the entries that need fixing. But that isn't possible if half of the userbase keeps insisting it should be done one way, while the other half insists it should be done the other way.

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You want linking NOW

I do, yes. Better yet: I wanted linking eight-and-a-half years ago, when I bought this program. I'd say I've been pretty patient. The key problem here is that the users seem just about evenly split over how to enter "Elaine Corral Kendall". That's not something to trivialize: it's one of the core problems we have here. We can't have one half of the userbase dealing with a certain credit one way, and have the other half of the userbase dealing with the exact same credit in another way. That's just a recipe for disaster.

Case in point: I still don't know what I'm going to do with this contribution. Do I let it stand, and hope the "no'-votes will be ignored, or do I change it, in which case I'll need something to tell the inevitable "no"-voters to that, as well as meaning that I'd have to revisit the other three Elaine Corral Kendall credits in my database... 

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For better or worse, the credits are our standard.  If they say that François is spelled with a 'c', error or not, we spell it that way.

I would say for worse...

You omit to say that we never find Francois, we find FRANCOIS that is wrongly interpreted as Francois. When is is not capitalized, it's always François.