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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Death:

I am still not crazy about your attitude. But you know we have two ways of entering Profiles...UPC and Disc ID. Same UPC different cover...hmmm Disc ID MAYBE. Rookie needs to learn more about the program maybe. Now if we have three different covers, which has happened before, then we have a problem again, but fortunately those are fairly rare.

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@ DeathbyBubbleGum:
The problem, the way things are right now, is indeed the limited number of profile identifiers within a single Locality - just UPC/EAN and Disc ID. This not only affects the (im)possibility to profile re-releases, but also phenomena such as
- large box sets (e.g. complete TV series comprising all seasons) with a parent profile, child profiles per season and grandchild profiles per disc, in which the individual seasons and discs have no UPC/EAN of their own
- cases where the same disc is part of several box sets
- (rare) occasions where several releases within the same Locality share the same UPC/EAN
etc.

A solution to increase the number of profile identifiers that would accommodate all conceivable cases is not self-evident, so it may not be forthcoming soon.

In the mean time:
- for your local database, you can enter all data and cover scans to match exactly what you have
- for your on-line collection, the only problem is the cover scans. To accurately reflect those, you can use phpDVDProfiler, as suggested by Forget_the_Rest earlier in this thread.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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If this were to be an update, why would there need to be another profile?

Really, to program this in, the DB would need to be updated for pointers to multiple images (one with slip cover, one without, 1 or more re-releases). 

When a person enters a new upc for there own DB, the program presents you with the multiple images, and you choose which one or ones you need (I say this for people that might like to have the slip cover and case scans).

I don't know haw this would be encoded, but it would be an option.

Who knows what will happen, besides Ken that is...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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Because re-releases sometimes entail more changes than just a different cover. There could e.g. be changes with regard to full-screen/widescreen contents.
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Because re-releases sometimes entail more changes than just a different cover. There could e.g. be changes with regard to full-screen/widescreen contents.


I think in cases like that though, the UPC may be the same but the diskID certainly wouldn't be.

The whole notion of multiple covers for a given profile should not be all that complicated and CharlieM I think touched on this. Cover Scans are a separate 'entity' right now from the profile (just look at the repair process log to see this is true).  If coverscans are linked to profiles right now with a 1-1 linkage, it is not beyond reason to change that to a 1-many.

In the end it's a valid and viable request (just posted in the wrong forum and with a little more 'tude  perhaps than needed)
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You just had to be first in line for Hannah Montana The Movie 

I don't think I was first in line, but what does it matter?  Oh wait, was that supposed to be a dig at the fact that I bought that movie? 


Well the question that came to mind was how many movies you have seen from say the 1940's 


Gee, how many DVD's were released in the 1940's?  I guess those have all been released on DVD long ago, so I could never have bought any of those on day 1, huh?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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You just had to be first in line for Hannah Montana The Movie 

I don't think I was first in line, but what does it matter?  Oh wait, was that supposed to be a dig at the fact that I bought that movie? 


Well the question that came to mind was how many movies you have seen from say the 1940's 


Gee, how many DVD's were released in the 1940's?  I guess those have all been released on DVD long ago, so I could never have bought any of those on day 1, huh?



           
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Because re-releases sometimes entail more changes than just a different cover. There could e.g. be changes with regard to full-screen/widescreen contents.



I really think, with a little (or a lot) of rework, even multiple disc id's could be handled. 

If we tied the dvd information to the disc id's and tied the Disc id's to the upc we could actually maintain a very comprehensive db. and be able to cover multiple releases and multiple images all tied to 1 upc, and allow the user to select which version he has to maintain in his personal db.

I don't know how much work or rework this would take, but I think it would be feasible (again if Ken wanted to move in this direction)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
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Death:

I am still not crazy about your attitude. But you know we have two ways of entering Profiles...UPC and Disc ID. Same UPC different cover...hmmm Disc ID MAYBE. Rookie needs to learn more about the program maybe. Now if we have three different covers, which has happened before, then we have a problem again, but fortunately those are fairly rare.

Skip


I don't think my attitude is up for debate but seen as you brought up the subject i find you rather pretentious and overly authoritative.

Accepted you might have more of an understanding of these things but there's ways to go about it and being condescending is not one of them.
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@ DeathbyBubbleGum:
The problem, the way things are right now, is indeed the limited number of profile identifiers within a single Locality - just UPC/EAN and Disc ID. This not only affects the (im)possibility to profile re-releases, but also phenomena such as
- large box sets (e.g. complete TV series comprising all seasons) with a parent profile, child profiles per season and grandchild profiles per disc, in which the individual seasons and discs have no UPC/EAN of their own
- cases where the same disc is part of several box sets
- (rare) occasions where several releases within the same Locality share the same UPC/EAN
etc.

A solution to increase the number of profile identifiers that would accommodate all conceivable cases is not self-evident, so it may not be forthcoming soon.

In the mean time:
- for your local database, you can enter all data and cover scans to match exactly what you have
- for your on-line collection, the only problem is the cover scans. To accurately reflect those, you can use phpDVDProfiler, as suggested by Forget_the_Rest earlier in this thread.


Thanks Skip could learn a thing or two from you.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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A new user might input a couple of barcodes find out that the cover art is different to their disk, pretty common with slip cases and tins etc. and decide the program is not all that, I doubt many would do much to discover why.

You hit the problem right on the head. I had to explain the "first release and first release only"-policy in a german home-cinema-newsgroup more than once.

cya, Mithi

PS And for the records: I too would like to see the possibility to have more than one release per UPC/EAN
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A new user might input a couple of barcodes find out that the cover art is different to their disk, pretty common with slip cases and tins etc. and decide the program is not all that, I doubt many would do much to discover why.

You hit the problem right on the head. I had to explain the "first release and first release only"-policy in a german home-cinema-newsgroup more than once.

cya, Mithi

PS And for the records: I too would like to see the possibility to have more than one release per UPC/EAN


Looks like the Skips ship is not sailing in the same direction guess i don't have an attitude problem after all 

I was just thinking is it possible to have maybe a new DVDID called re-release?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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From my understanding, the Primary Key of the profiles is a combination of the UPC and Region.  If the release date was added to it, it would allow for separate profiles for re-releases.

Additional problem: that would mean that the release date has to become mandatory. If I can't find a release date, what then?
And what happens if the release date has to be changed? Would that change the profile or spawn another copy? Both ways can lead to trouble.

Unfortunately I don't have a flash of inspiration so I can't make any better suggestions.

cya, Mithi
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
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I suspect some of the variant cover sets released on the same day share UPCs, so release date as a tertiary key would collapse at that point as well. 

(Sorry if someone already mentioned this; I skipped some of the arguing.)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbizarre_eye
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I have a lot of German and Austrian Hardbox releases, many titles of which have multiple covers (some have 5 or more). Like titles share the same release dates, and Disc ID's. Many do not have EAN's either so online profiling is an impossibility (at present). I just keep my changes local.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting DeathbyBubbleGum:
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Quoting Mithi:
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Quoting Graveworm:
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A new user might input a couple of barcodes find out that the cover art is different to their disk, pretty common with slip cases and tins etc. and decide the program is not all that, I doubt many would do much to discover why.

You hit the problem right on the head. I had to explain the "first release and first release only"-policy in a german home-cinema-newsgroup more than once.

cya, Mithi

PS And for the records: I too would like to see the possibility to have more than one release per UPC/EAN




Looks like the Skips ship is not sailing in the same direction guess i don't have an attitude problem after all 

I was just thinking is it possible to have maybe a new DVDID called re-release?


That is a matter of opinion, i commented on your attitude relative to your FIRST post in this thread, Death. You were acting like a child who couldn't have what he wanted so lay down on the floor kicking, go re-read what you wrote. Mithi and others are entitlesd to their opinions and i am entitled to MINE, grow up, son.

Skip
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Billy Video
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