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Quoting Woola:

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I would and WILL (when I get them) create Disc Level profiles, Season Level profiles are of no value to me and make absolutely no sense.

It must be great living in such a black and white world. Anything other than your own personal preference automatically is "of no value" and makes "absolutely no sense". Don't you realize that I could say the exact same thing: that disc level profiles are of no value to me and make absolutely no sense? The fact of the matter is that only a handful of people actually use disc-level profiles for TV sets. I consistently get about ten (not exaggerating!) times as much votes on parent (or season) profiles than I get when I'm contributing the same changes to the child profiles. Even Ken has publicly stated he doesn't use them. Again: to each his own, both methods are valid, but why the repeated hammering by just a few individuals that anything other than their own preference "makes absolutely no sense"? Again, I could keep saying the same thing about disc level profiles, but I don't see how that'll help things forward. I just don't understand why the few disc-level folks do seem to feel the need to keep trying to squash the equally valid preference of the "other side".

Tim:

You are free to try and give a rationale that makes sense if you wish, but I have looked at this from every side and there is NOTHING in the parent profile that makes ANY sort sense, this is a well-considered opinion. I am always open to possibilities which i have not though about, but in this case I don't think there are any. I have seen, and created these arguments on my own, and come to a conclusion which does make sense. I Love Lucy with 40 odd disc, is a tiny example compared to what is coming. Can you imagine when the time comes a Parent profile containing all the Cast and crew data for Bonanza: The Complete Series (15 years or so), Gunsmoke: The Complete Series (20+years) of SOON Hawaii Five-O: The Complete Series (12 years). My god the data block would be huge and meaningless (data equivalent of The Blob). you would be able to find out that Khigh Diegh was in Hawaii five-O but not how many episodes OR how many Seasons even.

Why, Tim, instead of attacking me and insulting me do you not come up with something which I haven't seen or considered, I would REALLY like to see such an argument but I don't think there is one. I have a lot of years in Db design work and in this sort of database the weaknesses involved in the parent Profile system are glaringly obvious, so much so, that that is the reason I fail to see your defense of it to have any basis in logic. yours is the personal preference Tim, NOT that that is bad, Ken has allowed for it and that is fine. But that does not mean that is has ANY form of logic, because it doesn't, as I have pointed out from a Parent Priofile, you cannot easily tell who was in what episode or what Features or on which disc. You can tell me that there is a (or some)m Commentaries and i will ask you which disc and you will say uh!!!!!! I don't know. I can tell you quite easily the answers to those questions. I also don't see a logical reason for why I would want to have a detailed Parent PLUS Children<scratches head>, seems repetitive and inflates the sort of statistics I am after.

James says he wants to see one Search result on an actor instead of every appearance and I wonder why...that makes no sense to me. It must make sense to him...but he hasn't communicated it well to me and I don't see any rationale that makes sense. You know, every once in awhile someone will complain about the Cast list for the Around the World in Eighty Days, it is HUGE, Hal must have been on sedatives for a week (that's a joke) and i appreciate the work but it has context ONE film, such a list for Gunsmoke (The Complete Series) would be equally HUGE and without context, instead of being ONE film, it would contain data on MANY episodes (or films).

I am open to arguments on the topic, particularly if one can be presented that i haven't already considered the pros and cons of, but as I say i don' think you can. And I view the Parent as PERSONAL preference because there is no logical rationale and the shortcomings of the parent Profile are just mammoth.

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You can't produce an argument

Neither can you. You have your preference, I have mine. Per the rules, both preferences are equally valid. Let's stress that again, shall we? Per the rules, both preferences are equally valid. So I just don't understand why you keep trying to dismiss any opinion other than your own, even if that opinion is - here we go again - equally valid per the rules.

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so you havbe to insult and attack, tim.

IMHO, I did not insult, nor did I attack. You're the one who keeps brutally dismissing other people's equally valid opinion with terms as "worthless", "of no value", "make absolutely no sense" - that was you, not me. I merely expressed my amazement as to why you feel the need to keep doing this. What can you possibly think you're gaining by antagonizing people for no reason?

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I certainly hope that Ken notes your crass behavior.

Again: there wasn't any. I do hope that Ken notes your crass behaviour, though.

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What needs to be find is some way to accommodate all these values.  Unfortunately, since profiles are keyed in one of two ways (UPC or Disc ID) that isn't possible with these complete series boxed sets.  So, as I see it, we either need Ken to come up with a way to have a 3rd key (what it would be I have no clue) OR to make a ruling for these sorts of sets which type of profile level (season or disc) takes precedence.

That sums it up nicely.

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What needs to be find is some way to accommodate all these values.  Unfortunately, since profiles are keyed in one of two ways (UPC or Disc ID) that isn't possible with these complete series boxed sets.  So, as I see it, we either need Ken to come up with a way to have a 3rd key (what it would be I have no clue) OR to make a ruling for these sorts of sets which type of profile level (season or disc) takes precedence.

That sums it up nicely.

Agreed, I am glad that both camps were accomodated in the rules.  What we need now, is a way to do so when the season 'case' does not have a UPC.  It is unfortunate that one side is going to be left out in the cold.

That being said, I think I have changed my opinion on this as it is far easier to remove data than it is to add it.  If we use the disc ID of the first disc for the season level profile, once it is downloaded, those that only want the information for that disc can simply remove it and change the title.  It isn't ideal, but I think it is the best compromise.

I would like to see another identifier allowed in the Database that many, if not all, studios already put on the packaging currently. It's the 7 to 10 catalog number that publishers put on the packaging. If it were added as a profile identifier, I would bet that many complete series sets, that don't have UPCs on the inidiviual season containers, probably have this number on them somewhere. I only have 2 Complete Series sets in my collection, Extras and the new Battlestar Galactica. Each season has an individual case, but no UPCs, but they do have the catalog number on the case. If those were allowed and contributable, then there could be season level profiles for both of those series (Extras does have season level profile as each was released separately as well), instead of just Disc level ones.

Changed my mind, Rho, answering you isn't worth it

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