So if I understand you correctly what you are saying is that every box set is allowed to have the contents listed, even if it doesn't have them in the overview. That's a new one on me.

Just about everyone else who posted their opinion in this thread agrees the submission does follow the rules and is correct by the rules but many are just not going to support the submissions by voting NO.

I would love to be able to vote NO to the contribution but as you well know I vote with the rules no matter what I personally feel. Show me a legitimate reason to change my vote and I will not only do it but thank you for it. What you posted doesn't cut it though.

Read it a couple more times. I just do see where the box set rules for overviews tells us to list the contents of the set when there are overviews present.

Also, if these are "box sets" as you claim then the cast (among other things) must be stripped from the parent profiles. Defining them as a box set will only create a heck of a lot more issues then getting a line changed in the rules to include "shorts".

Your approach while interesting just doesn't work.

Rick:

Clearly the WDTs do not fall under the normal Overview Rules. Nor do they fall under a strict reading of the Boxset Rules, They actually fall MORE under the rules for TV which state

TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:

    * Complete Series/Season sets
    * Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season.

The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:

Soem of the WDTs are Anthologies of "Epsiodes" which were Theatrical shorts, while others do contain TV Show data, which admittedly does cause a bit of a conundrum.

That said while not specifically addressed I agree with a previous poster that under even the basic Rules "For Concert / Music Videos you may include a listing of Song titles and length, if available." represents a close match to theatrical short premise. Personally speaking I still have anuy number of issues relative to the WDTs because of the many inconsistencies represented within the sets. As much as I like the WDTs they continue to cause me much grief simply because of the CREATOR. An example is recent release of Zorro, the shows are in B&W, which of course was the way that I watched in them the late 1950s. BUT, I also watched Davy Crockett, which FIRST aired on Television in B&W, but when the show went theatrical lo and behold it was shot in COLOR...just broadcast in B&W, Walt Disney was far ahead of his time in terms of filming and much of what he shot was actually shot in color even though it was broadcast in B&W. Is this true of Zorro...I dion't know, I do recall thinking that the colors which were in the earlier Zorro release did not strike me as a colorization process...though I could be mistaken. Was Zorro shot in color and broadcast in B&W because of the time or actually shot in B&W...I am trying to determine this answer without succes so far.

BTW Rick, if you check my collection you will see that most if not all of the WDTS have been treated as Boxsets, with children. They are not completely up-to-date yet  from my point of view as I have not COMPLETELY settled on the correct method, though I think the Overview question is one of the easier issues.

Sorry for the absence, i have been away, physically and emotionally, some are aware of the issue, the last several weeks have been very trying for me and it doesn't appear to be over...yet.

<shrugs>

Skip

They are very serious, but not for me or my wife directly. They involve a close family friend and one thing is over that was all too sad...but there is more on the horizon.

Skip

Quoting lyonsden5:

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They should fall under the TV set rules but they are not TV sets. And they are not completely unique. The Movie Serial collections are in the same boat. You of all people know "close enough" doesn't work.

Just how are the multi disc sets of episodes from the Tomorrowland segment of the Disneyland weekly TV show not TV sets?

And how are a year-by-year collections of animated shorts not box sets of films?

I'm not understanding your reasoning, sorry.

Quoting VibroCount:

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Quoting lyonsden5:

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They should fall under the TV set rules but they are not TV sets. And they are not completely unique. The Movie Serial collections are in the same boat. You of all people know "close enough" doesn't work.

Just how are the multi disc sets of episodes from the Tomorrowland segment of the Disneyland weekly TV show not TV sets?

And how are a year-by-year collections of animated shorts not box sets of films?

I'm not understanding your reasoning, sorry.

As I said in the initial post some of them are TV sets. Those are easy as they are addressed by the rules for TV sets. It's the others that are an issue as well as the other types of profiles (which seems to be limited to Movie Serials).

As far as the year by year collections beings box sets... I don't know. But if they are, the problem still remains since the rules for film box sets do not allow you to add a listing of what is included in the box when there is already an overview. We don't add a list of all the movies included in a box set unless it is part of the overview.

In addition if we do define them as a movie box set then by definition all of the information has to be stripped from the "box" profile and child profiles must be created for all the discs. I'm sure that's not what anyone really wants, but i could be wrong.

What they are, as Skip conceded, are items that SHOULD fall under the TV set rules. Unfortunately they don't.

If I'm not making myself clear perhaps someone else who knows what I'm trying to say can jump in here. Based on multiple posts in this thread I know there are those who do understand.

Quoting VibroCount:

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Just how are the multi disc sets of episodes from the Tomorrowland segment of the Disneyland weekly TV show not TV sets?

They are so this is a non-issue.

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And how are a year-by-year collections of animated shorts not box sets of films?

Nobody said they weren't but, as Rick said, you can't add a list of contents unless there is no overview.  This is the rule for box set overviews:

If the box set cover contains a listing of contents with brief descriptions of each, enter it directly into the Overview field.  If there is no overview on the cover, an overview from an included booklet may be substituted.  Otherwise, enter an itemized listing of the contents only, without descriptions.

That is an 'A, B, C' rule...meaining, first 'A'.  If no 'A', then 'B'.  If no 'B', then 'C'.  We have to enter the Overview from the case, if it doesn't exist, we may substitute the overview from an included booklet.  If there is no included booklet then, and only then, can we enter an itemized listing of the contents, without descriptions.

This is not a case of reading more into the rules than what is really there, this is reading what is actually there...whether we like it or not.

I think that the contributions were proper under the rules, but they prompted me to lock the overviews (and I locked the titles previously due to not agreeing with moving Walt Disney Treasures to the edition field) on all of these.  At least I had a heads up this was happening, so thanks to Lyonsden for raising the issue.