Quoting Woola:

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(...) and then I am expected by you to just genuflect and say "Oh God, Rho, I see the light." (...) I will not genuflect or kiss your ring (...)

I do not expect any of the above. And I don't think anybody else in this forum does expect something like this from you or anybody.

You know what?  It's not worth the aggravation it will cause the rest of the forum.  Bottom line, I am done playing this stupid game.  From this point forward, no more defending, no more responding.  Any post that is insulting or disrespectful, will be ignored and given a red arrow.  For the peace and tranquility of the forum, I suggest that everyone else do the same. 

Finally. While i don't buy your argument, we at least are now where we can agree to disagree.My major disagreement, and that you still appear to be overlooking is that a Premise is not of necessity or automatically something that is written down in any form let alone PUBLISHED. A premise can be a detailed and written outline, a concept scribbled on a napkin or even just a conversation. There fore it cannot simply qualified as OMB without documentation, there are times when a Premise could also be an OCB or even perhaps a Story by, it can not be be simply put into one category or another unless we completely ignore the possibilities of what a Premise might be. I know James imagines that it has to be written down byt that is simply a refusal to understand exactly what a Premise is, it  could be even called a Concept, which like the premise could be written, could be nothing more than an idea and to put it into other words a resulting screenplay could be built around that idea, as I described in my fictional dinner scenario, I had nothing more than an idea that I shared with James, nothing more, he took that idea and built a screenplay around that premise (concept) and credits me with the Premise, that is NOT an OMB credit, it doesn't fit OMB in any form, it may conceivably fit and OCB or perhaps even a Story By Cred , but this scenario for a Premise By Credit would NEVER be an OMB. I fail to understand how you believe that it could be universally an OMB credit, Martian, it just is not possible.

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I have to address this because it keeps coming up.  There is no requirement, in the rules or the program, that the 'other medium' be published.  Yes, books, poems and songs can be published, but they aren't always published works.  That doesn't even take into consideration the fact that many films...think remakes...are based on previous scripts or screenplays.  Scripts and screenplays, last time I checked, are not published works.  Copyrighted, yes.  Published, no.

Since that argument falls flat, we are left with two choices:

Leave out OMB and OCB credits, which is what the rules require.

Enter any 'Based on' credit as OMB or OCB.

Clearly, I prefer the latter.

Quoting lyonsden5:

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Smart move.  It is hard to hold back sometimes (for me anyway - especially on the defending part) but you are 100% correct, it's just not worth the aggravation.

Welcome to the sidelines 

Not quite ready to sit on the sidelines just yet.  I am still in the game, just not playing the 'stupid' one. 

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I have to address this because it keeps coming up.  There is no requirement, in the rules or the program, that the 'other medium' be published.  Yes, books, poems and songs can be published, but they aren't always published works.  That doesn't even take into consideration the fact that many films...think remakes...are based on previous scripts or screenplays.  Scripts and screenplays, last time I checked, are not published works.  Copyrighted, yes.  Published, no.

Since that argument falls flat, we are left with two choices:

Leave out OMB and OCB credits, which is what the rules require.

Enter any 'Based on' credit as OMB or OCB.

Clearly, I prefer the latter.

So do, I, but based on a Premise By is not exclusive to one or the other, or even a possible Story or even NOTHING. It is dependant on what can be learned relative to the background of the Premise By. In this case it is a an OMD, but that may not be true of the next such credit. That's all I'm saying, Marttian, attempts to force Premise By into one place, are just wrong. The only way that could possibly work would be for Ken to add a new category for Premise/Concept By, then all such creds would go into the same place and research relative to exactly what Premise By or Concept By meant would be unnecessary.

Qustion for Rick are you on the sidelines...really. then there was a need to popst?

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Touche

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Taken in the broadest definition of the word "medium", it does not have to be written down at all.  Pay particular attention to the first sentence of the following definition.  Speech alone is a "medium".

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A medium is the way or means information is sent or received. Paper is a common medium, used every day by millions of people. Television is another very common medium; it is said that there is not a community on Earth where at least one family does not own a television. The plural form of medium is media, so radio and television are both types of broadcast media, but paint, charcoal, ink, and clay are types of artistic media. When people buy or sell things, the medium is often coins or paper money, but it may also be shells, gems, livestock, or even an agreement to perform a service in the future.

A medium is also a person who it is said can pass messages between the living and the dead. This type of medium was quite popular in the West in the 19th century, but most were found to be dishonest and few remain today. In Taoism, mediums still work. However, the power of mediums is mostly believed by the superstitious.

Medium is also a size, coming between small and large. Other words used in this way include intermediate, average, and middle.