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what is the best way to change UPC? --for contribution.. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | So who is meant to prevent bad data getting into the database and saving stupidity like this getting out of hand.
No offence to the original poster intended.
The carpenter is only as good as the tools he is given to work with. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | I admit I sometimes copy cast and crew from one profile to one I own without checking all the data, but I would be truly ashamed if I was caught contributing unchecked data to profiles I don't even own.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
But there, I am afraid, is the rub. It is not being done with a great deal of accurace. It would be one thing if he was actually auditing the title, like T!M does, but he isn't. He is copying data from one profile, errors and all, and contributing it 5 or 6 times over. He is copying data from his case, without checking the previous contribution notes or the other cases, and contributing incorrect data.
If this really is the case (and if it is, I didn't realize that was the case), then absolutely, no votes should be given. I was under the impression that the titles were being audited and then being submitted to other localities. If it's simply copying without actual verification of the info, then yes, that's no good and should be voted down. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Ken has said that it is o.k. to contribute to profiles you don't own. Fine, I accept that. But if you are going to do it, and inflate your contribution numbers, at least do the work required to ensure you are contributing accurate data.  (except the inflation part, I've never submitted to profiles I don't own, the few times I've actually done it, simply for the fact of inflation  ). | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Enter data and verify it using the rules for discs that you own ONLY. PERIOD.
This is what I say for years and yes I understand perfectly that Ken had given the ok to this, but I'm not the only one who disagree with this... Quoting Merrik: Quote:
When I first joined here, and entered all my dvd’s, I found that I had two different names in my local. (...) I sent out a few pm’s, and next thing you know, everyone’s responding saying “she’s just credited as Brandy”. Damn rights I made the corrections.
The magic word is in bold. You have check before making the change and didn't do it without any other verifications than using the dvds you own. ------------------------------------ It's my last post in this thread, since I don't want to sound like a guy who always repeat the same thing over and over |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | what they are saying is., They would rather have 'secured bad data' rather than questionable 'unowned' data ..
WHEN and IF I find a title that is riddled with problems.. I'll install these to my ordered tab of all the 'region 1' titles of the same title so I can see an over all look at the title and its problems..
Nine times out of ten they are many many problems.. I look at the most popular of the owned titles and find one that is owned and contributed by some pretty big names here on the boards .. I flag these . You can almost guarantee these to be problem free Then I look at the other owned titles and find that 'they' or these DVD's (lord knows where they come from.. Oh yeah grandfathered over from Intervocative back pre March 2007 ) .
I then look at what can be fixed:
Overview is always good - I check all the rear covers of submitted and see that one of them is half French and half English.. ( I check UPC at this point )Then I see that the front cover has French titles quotes under the English title.. I then check the locality of that DVD . I see USA.. I then check for Canada and or Canada/Quebec.. None .. Makes for a good contribution for Canada locality .. I then check for spelling and line breaks .. all fixed up and submitted.. IF I have a problem with anything submitted I'm sure I'll get negative votes ,, and that will then entice me to either.. fix it- contact PM - or drop the submission all together.
Others areas.. Cast and crew If I see that 80% of the cast and crew are the same between cover versions.. it will be left .. But a lot of times the newer editions ( or viceversa) are NOT Okay, but IMDB clones .
Most if not all DVDs ( region 1) have the exact same front scan .. Rear scans not so much- as they are different UPCs/ Different text blocks ( english/french ) .. But 'some' of the front scans are just deplorable & hard to see/ crooked, dark, bad colors etc .. What is the harm in changing 'front cover' to a better one already approved and in use in the data section.. ??
I don't mind finding and correcting said errors.,, as we are all human and mistakes happen..
But to blast me and threaten to boycott all or any my contributions , just becasue I found (in this case) a wrong UPC code in use in the data bank--,, has to be the most childish thing I've come across here ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Everyone is so worried about this seemingly bad data being spread, but very few are actually willing to take it upon themselves to correct it. This made me laugh because it's oh so true. A few weeks ago I corrected an overview and submitted it. I got a neg vote because of the spacing of paragraphs, and when I PM'd the user and explained while I agreed that the paragraphs should have spacing, it wasn't that way on the back of the box (basically it was two graphs merged into one. It *should* be two graphs, but it's also the back of box, so I did it as rules stated). He saw it differently (and was cool about it) and didn't agree. I told him that I would withdraw the submission and he could resubmit it if he wanted (I wouldn't have voted on it, as I have the change I want in local) because I don't care enough to argue over it. It's correct in my database and that's all that matters to me. The profile still sits in the database uncorrected. I don't hold any ill will to the no voter. It doesn't affect me one way or the other, and I agreed with them in the fact that it does look funky as is, and I didn't care enough about it to debate it. But the point is, well, it's still uncorrected. Why vote no, have the option to fix it on what you think is correct but not? It seems odd to me, but not surprising, either. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, Alien he should have voted no you ignored the Rules which say ti provide spacing between paragraphs. His complaint was valid and you should have corrected it. All you have demonstrated is that you do not intend to follow the Rules, you will Contribute whatever you please. This is one of the reasons why I look over your Contributions very carefully. I find your attitude on this to be reprehensible, sorry. But we have Rules and they are to be followed. You didn't provide any specific information so that someone can fix it, either. all you want to do is laugh about your arrogance.<shrugs> I am sure if you provided the information someone would be happy to correct the problem.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Well, Alien he should have voted no you ignored the Rules which say ti provide spacing between paragraphs. His complaint was valid and you should have corrected it.
All you have demonstrated is that you do not intend to follow the Rules, you will Contribute whatever you please. This is one of the reasons why I look over your Contributions very carefully.
I find your attitude on this to be reprehensible, sorry. But we have Rules and they are to be followed. You didn't provide any specific information so that someone can fix it, either. all you want to do is laugh about your arrogance.<shrugs> I am sure if you provided the information someone would be happy to correct the problem. *edit* You know what? Forget it. Ken, it was said that you have said you can't tell where the fights start. Well there's an example. FFS.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Well, Alien he should have voted no you ignored the Rules which say ti provide spacing between paragraphs. His complaint was valid and you should have corrected it.
All you have demonstrated is that you do not intend to follow the Rules, you will Contribute whatever you please. This is one of the reasons why I look over your Contributions very carefully.
I find your attitude on this to be reprehensible, sorry. But we have Rules and they are to be followed. You didn't provide any specific information so that someone can fix it, either. all you want to do is laugh about your arrogance.<shrugs> I am sure if you provided the information someone would be happy to correct the problem.
Skip We must be reading the rules differently then. Quote:
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as show on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line I have always read this as if there is a blank line separating paragraphs, enter it in the overview, if there’s not, enter the overview exactly as written. So “exactly as it’s written” is now to be disregarded if there SHOULD be a paragraph break, but isn’t? Exactly as written is just that. Exactly as written. If there’s no paragraph break, do not enter one, if there is a paragraph break, it’s reminding you to make sure you use a blank line to separate them, not add a non-existent one in. If we enter typos exactly as written, why now, would we add a non-existent blank line when it’s not there. That makes no sense. If this isn’t the case, then we have yet another case of the rules being ambiguous and leading to people interpreting them differently. Either way, really Skip, with no offense meant, the personal attack, just because you two don’t get along? Completely unnecessary. Alien said absolutely nothing to be called reprehensible or arrogant. He was simply providing an example he’s run into in the recent past to elaborate on something I said. The personal attacks? Completely bad manner. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Exactly as written is just that. Exactly as written. If there’s no paragraph break, do not enter one, if there is a paragraph break, it’s reminding you to make sure you use a blank line to separate them, not add a non-existent one in. If we enter typos exactly as written, why now, would we add a non-existent blank line when it’s not there. That makes no sense. Thank you, sir! That is exactly what it was. There was no paragraph break. And the paragraph in question could have easily been two (and would have looked better as two, thus my agreement with the neg voter). It was definitely a preference thing, and I don't fault the voter by any stretch. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Well, Alien he should have voted no you ignored the Rules which say ti provide spacing between paragraphs. His complaint was valid and you should have corrected it.
All you have demonstrated is that you do not intend to follow the Rules, you will Contribute whatever you please. This is one of the reasons why I look over your Contributions very carefully.
I find your attitude on this to be reprehensible, sorry. But we have Rules and they are to be followed. You didn't provide any specific information so that someone can fix it, either. all you want to do is laugh about your arrogance.<shrugs> I am sure if you provided the information someone would be happy to correct the problem.
Skip
We must be reading the rules differently then.
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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as show on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line
I have always read this as if there is a blank line separating paragraphs, enter it in the overview, if there’s not, enter the overview exactly as written.
So “exactly as it’s written” is now to be disregarded if there SHOULD be a paragraph break, but isn’t?
Exactly as written is just that. Exactly as written. If there’s no paragraph break, do not enter one, if there is a paragraph break, it’s reminding you to make sure you use a blank line to separate them, not add a non-existent one in. If we enter typos exactly as written, why now, would we add a non-existent blank line when it’s not there. That makes no sense.
If this isn’t the case, then we have yet another case of the rules being ambiguous and leading to people interpreting them differently.
Either way, really Skip, with no offense meant, the personal attack, just because you two don’t get along? Completely unnecessary. Alien said absolutely nothing to be called reprehensible or arrogant. He was simply providing an example he’s run into in the recent past to elaborate on something I said. The personal attacks? Completely bad manner. Merrik: If you are going to quote the Rules, don't do it selectively. The same paragraph of the Rules includes the following "Separate all paragraphs with a blank line." Based on the Actual wording and construction, I do not how this could possibly be construed as you are doing. Tjhe sentence is simple and it is NOT qualified. It says "Separate all paragraphs with a blank line." ALL paragraphs, not some, not a few, ALL.That is how it has always been done dating back to the guidelines. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Well, Alien he should have voted no you ignored the Rules which say ti provide spacing between paragraphs. His complaint was valid and you should have corrected it.
All you have demonstrated is that you do not intend to follow the Rules, you will Contribute whatever you please. This is one of the reasons why I look over your Contributions very carefully.
I find your attitude on this to be reprehensible, sorry. But we have Rules and they are to be followed. You didn't provide any specific information so that someone can fix it, either. all you want to do is laugh about your arrogance.<shrugs> I am sure if you provided the information someone would be happy to correct the problem.
Skip
We must be reading the rules differently then.
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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as show on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line
I have always read this as if there is a blank line separating paragraphs, enter it in the overview, if there’s not, enter the overview exactly as written.
So “exactly as it’s written” is now to be disregarded if there SHOULD be a paragraph break, but isn’t?
Exactly as written is just that. Exactly as written. If there’s no paragraph break, do not enter one, if there is a paragraph break, it’s reminding you to make sure you use a blank line to separate them, not add a non-existent one in. If we enter typos exactly as written, why now, would we add a non-existent blank line when it’s not there. That makes no sense.
If this isn’t the case, then we have yet another case of the rules being ambiguous and leading to people interpreting them differently.
Either way, really Skip, with no offense meant, the personal attack, just because you two don’t get along? Completely unnecessary. Alien said absolutely nothing to be called reprehensible or arrogant. He was simply providing an example he’s run into in the recent past to elaborate on something I said. The personal attacks? Completely bad manner.
Merrik:
If you are going to quote the Rules, don't do it selectively. The same paragraph of the Rules includes the following
"Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."
Skip Not only did he include it, he specifically addressed it. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally don't agree with the rule but do agree with Skip's way of thinking for this one. It doesn't say to separate if there's a gap, it simply states to separate all paragraphs. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I personally don't agree with the rule but do agree with Skip's way of thinking for this one. It doesn't say to separate if there's one, it simply states to separate all paragraphs. I don't have a problem with that, but that's not what the rules state. So is it now okay for us to determine where the paragraph breaks are? Because I'll support that. But saying I went against the rules is completely incorrect.* *Unless, of course, a decision was made in a thread 8 years ago that never got around to the rules page. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Merrik:
If you are going to quote the Rules, don't do it selectively. The same paragraph of the Rules includes the following
"Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."
Skip I didn't quote it selectively. Your quote of me even shows I absolutely included that line when I quoted the rules... And then I explained my interpretation of it. Exactly as written. Meaing to write it EXACTLY how it appears. If there is NO paragraph break, don't put one in. If there is, the rules are reminding us to use a blank line to separate the paragraphs. Adding in a blank line when one is not there is inventing data. Something you're against (you even advocate entering in typos exactly as written), so why would we add something non-existent into a profile when we're told to write it exactly as it appears. The line "Separate all paragraphs with a blank line" is simply there to remind us to put that blank line in when there is in fact, a paragraph break on the back cover. If there isn't a paragraph break, do not enter one. That is how I've always interpreted the rules, and followed them that way. And it appears I'm not the only one. If that is NOT how the rules were meant, then they're completely ambiguous and just another example of why they need to be updated. Please don't tell me to not be selective when I wasn't to try and discredit my valid opinion. I absolutely quoted that entire part of the rules (read my post again, or yours, since you quoted that exact thing your post) and then simply explained my interpretation of them. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please guys, we have a nice and good discussion for a rare occasion without name calling even if we disagree. It would be fun to not turn this as another 10 pages battle for a change  P.S : I don't target any of you in particular so don't be upset with me if you think I talk about you (general "you") since it isn't the case at all. |
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