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The Artist: a silent movie?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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To be fair, the color/B&W rule muddies the waters.

I am sorry, but it doesn't.  The 'Mixed' rule deals with color, which has nothing to do with audio.  As has already been pointed out, 'Music Only' means exactly that...only music and no dialogue.  I don't see how it can be read any other way.


It does in the sense that one rule, the color/bw rule is left open to some sort of interpretation.  If you noticed my first post in the thread I already stated that I don't think you can really compare the two, I agree completely that the language should be included.  Music only means music only.

Threads like these, and posts like yours remind me why I stay away from the forums.
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Threads like these, and posts like yours remind me why I stay away from the forums.

I should probably follow that advice! 
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A sad day.

I'm not sure it is for you as you haven't vote on the profile even if you brought the issue here...

I think Karsten was right that your goal was to publicly embarrass the voters and that you didn't care one way or another.
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Not to mention just because it went through doesn't means it is a decision on Invelos' part. There has been many times before that they have said they just hit the wrong button... approve and decline is right next to each other... it could have been a simple mistake on the screener's part... or it is also Invelos' standing policy to let bad info in if there is also a good amount of correct info as well. So the screeners also has to do a bit of a balancing act as well.
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I think Karsten was right that your goal was to publicly embarrass the voters and that you didn't care one way or another.

And because the main reason of this forum is to shame and embarrass people of different opinion and not to discuss the best way to build the database: a job well done!
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Ping-Pong!
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Current status for this profile:
Original: Music only
1st Change: Language Tracks
2nd Change: Music Only
Currently Pending: Language Tracks

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Not to mention just because it went through doesn't means it is a decision on Invelos' part. There has been many times before that they have said they just hit the wrong button... approve and decline is right next to each other... it could have been a simple mistake on the screener's part... or it is also Invelos' standing policy to let bad info in if there is also a good amount of correct info as well. So the screeners also has to do a bit of a balancing act as well.

In addition to that, it might just be that nobody voted 'no' stating that there was, indeed, dialogue at the end of the film.  I haven't seen this film, so it is quite possible that the screener hasn't seen the filme either and relied, as they often do, on the voters to let them know there was a problem.
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very true!
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In addition to that, it might just be that nobody voted 'no' stating that there was, indeed, dialogue at the end of the film.

One user did and write that there was indeed dialogue in this film. Of course it wasn't me since I don't have this film and I don't vote on what I don't own, but I've check the profile in question.

The user in question wasn't the one who brought this here wich made me say he just wanted to go for a round of public shaming.
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Invelos has decided: the audio tracks of The Artist are Music Only.

A sad day.


If that's what you consider a sad day, you have issues.
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We should add two other facts into the discussion:

1) There's a lot of sound effects throughout the film. So the "Music only" choice seems quite wrong, doesn't it?

2) At least in the German version (but I am sure that also counts for some other non-English language countries) the dialogue at the end of the film is dubbed. So that means, we have English language in the original version and dubbed language in the other versions. And that all should be called "Music only"? The dubbing indicates, we have different soundtracks here for different countries. The film is dubbed! So it is not a "Music only"-film, but a film with language in it!

You may call it a silent movie as an art form, but if it comes to enter the language descriptions, it has to be the languages in question.
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2) At least in the German version (but I am sure that also counts for some other non-English language countries) the dialogue at the end of the film is dubbed. So that means, we have English language in the original version and dubbed language in the other versions. And that all should be called "Music only"? The dubbing indicates, we have different soundtracks here for different countries. The film is dubbed! So it is not a "Music only"-film, but a film with language in it!


The fact that the film has both an English and a German soundtrack should have settled this on page 1 but apparently some users believe they don't exist for a reason. 
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A surprising twist: recontribution. And contestants have tied scores:



Is The Artist Music Only anywhere else in the world? In any locality outside Germany?
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A surprising twist: recontribution. And contestants have tied scores:

Is The Artist Music Only anywhere else in the world? In any locality outside Germany?


And you still haven't voted one way or the other. So why do you care at all? 
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Ok this is absolutely out of control. It bears the hallmarks of something that falls outside our current norms
..end result it may become a football as children fight over having it THEIR way in the nonlinear. I call artist a silent film that, to me, appears to be the filmmakers base intent. I would call it that way, locally, and whatever the children want to do is their game, my data would be correct as I believe it to be
So why does anyone care, it falls outside our norms, that happens sometimes, it may even be a film that we cannot easily bring in under the rules, without writing a rule for a single film...crazy. so let the nonlinear be whatever it is and define or to suit yourself locally, lo k it and refuse future update battles.
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A surprising twist: recontribution. And contestants have tied scores:



Is The Artist Music Only anywhere else in the world? In any locality outside Germany?



I love that red line; it really is the proverbial ashtray on a motorbike. 

And for what it's worth, I don't think this is Music Only.
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