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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
but the info is not coming from the film credits as per the rules. It is coming from sites that is claiming the info.
Like it or not the rules states where the source must be. And that source is not being used here. I only see third party databases referenced. I provided a movie poster. Plus there are countless links acknowledging this as the film's original title that any reasonable person would accept. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Am I correct in assuming that the title, from the credits of the DVD, say 'Chopping Mall'?
If yes, then the cover does not have an alternate title displayed on the cover, that portion of the rule does not apply, and we use the original theatrical release title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I posted the rules several times in this thread... Original Title Rules: Quote:
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.
In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.
There is an alternate title on the Cover. So per the rules we are to use the title from the film's title. Not from the movie poster. Not from a selection of websites... but from the film's credits. That is what the rules call for. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Am I correct in assuming that the title, from the credits of the DVD, say 'Chopping Mall'?
If yes, then the cover does not have an alternate title displayed on the cover, that portion of the rule does not apply, and we use the original theatrical release title. Which comes from where? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Am I correct in assuming that the title, from the credits of the DVD, say 'Chopping Mall'?
If yes, then the cover does not have an alternate title displayed on the cover, that portion of the rule does not apply, and we use the original theatrical release title. As they pointed out quite nicely the title on the cover (and in the credits) is an alternate title. So if the title on the cover is an alternate title what do we do? If a title is known by more then one title... then every title for it is an alternate title. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
As they pointed out quite nicely the title on the cover (and in the credits) is an alternate title. So if the title on the cover is an alternate title what do we do? I was always of the opinion that, when the rules talked about an alternate title, they were refering to it being different from what is in the film credits not being different from what was in theaters. If the title on the cover and the title in the credits match, and they are different from the original theatrical release title, then that title...the original theatrical release title...is what goes in the Original Title field. If that isn't the case, the first part of the rule makes no sense. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then what do you do in this case.
A title is known by 3 (or more) alternate titles.
Case has Alternate Title #1
Credits has Alternate Title #2
But Alternate Title #3 is the actual original title.
So per rules the original title does not get noted at all... as the rules are written. I have said for years that the way the original title rules are written we will not always get the original title in the field.
And yes... I have seen this situation more then once on some of the low-budget horror movies that I have. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | In that case, title #1 goes in the Title field, Title #2 goes in the Original Title field, and the actual original title gets left out. I don't care for that but, as you noted, that is what the rules call for.
In this case, however, because the two titles match...cover and credits...we can enter the original title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | and where do we get the original title from? Going by the rules all I see is the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
and where do we get the original title from? Going by the rules all I see is the credits. the same as BY info, alias names of cast and crew, production (1st release) info. Country of origin, |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian has shown me that there is more then one way to read it. But that is all. That don't mean I know that the way he is reading it is right... and the way I am reading it is wrong.
So at this point I am done arguing... and will just wait for conformation from Ken. Till then I will vote and contribute as I read the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Martian has shown me that there is more then one way to read it. But that is all. That don't mean I know that the way he is reading it is right... and the way I am reading it is wrong.
So at this point I am done arguing... and will just wait for conformation from Ken. Till then I will vote and contribute as I read the rules. I wouldn't call it arguing, it was a discussion, maybe luke warm but not heated. And both sides of the discussion will wait for a confirmation that 90% of the time nevers comes and this discussion will reappear in the form of another thread when it happens again. Just as the other threads that keep rehashing the same issue over and over. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | And we are at the point of rehashing over and over again here as well. At this point IMHO... it is time to wait for confirmation. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And we are at the point of rehashing over and over again here as well. At this point IMHO... it is time to wait for confirmation. I don't know about you, but at my age I hope it's not to long of a wait. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | You know as well as I do that you never know! I have seen times that Ken pops in within the very first day and I have seen times when it takes many threads over way to much time before he pops in... and then there is many situations where he has yet to pop in and give his rulings. No rhyme or reason. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're talking about B and C grade horror movies. But there is a much more prominent example and I'ver never seen anyone use anything BUT the actual original theatrical title, no matter what the oncreen title scroll says.
It's a small Independent movie from the late 70s. It was about two robots finding themselves in the most absurd situations... | | | Karsten
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