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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since we are profiling DVDs, it seems that it would make sense to have the title match as closely as possible (given all graphics are not reproducible in the program) to the way the title appears on the DVD front cover. Perhaps, since some people like to play devil's advocate, we should simply change the rule to duplicate whatever capitalization appears on the DVD cover....even all caps. After all, it doesn't change the title. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Perhaps, since some people like to play devil's advocate, we should simply change the rule to duplicate whatever capitalization appears on the DVD cover....even all caps. After all, it doesn't change the title. It wouldn't bother me if contributions had to adhere 100% with the capitalization found on the disc/packaging, from titles to overviews to credits. But it was decided a long time ago to not do that and I don't foresee that ever changing. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | We're changing capitalization of titles right now. This is just a different way to change it! And since many are arguing that it is only aesthetic, this seems to be a better solution than one that is KNOWN to make errors. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Perhaps, since some people like to play devil's advocate, we should simply change the rule to duplicate whatever capitalization appears on the DVD cover....even all caps. After all, it doesn't change the title.
It wouldn't bother me if contributions had to adhere 100% with the capitalization found on the disc/packaging, from titles to overviews to credits. But it was decided a long time ago to not do that and I don't foresee that ever changing.
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
We're changing capitalization of titles right now. Yes, I find the compulsion quite baffling. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't mean contributions, although I'm not sure why there's a big rush to do these; I was talking about changing the methodology for capitalizing titles. If we're going to change it, why not change it to something that doesn't automatically introduce errors into the database!
And yes, changing "xXx" to "Xxx" is introducing an error into the database, as far as I'm concerned. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,633 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
So you'll gladly accept it if the anonymous DVD cover art designer gives you strange capitalization, but when Ken decides that his database will adhere to a standard of his choosing, while at the same time providing you with a program flexible enough to allow you to do pretty much what you want to locally, you have a problem?
I have no sympathy.
--------------- And I'd like to believe Ken listens to the users given this is a community built database. After all, if you chase off the majority of contributing members then you won't have much of a database. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Shouldn't 20th Century Fox Studio Classics be changed to Twentieth Century Fox Studio Classics in the edition field?
There's an automatic change in the studio field, shouldn't it be consistent in the other fields? Such as Title or edition fields. |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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BTW. 'GoNe WiTh ThE WiNd' is not easy to read. At least not for me.
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If this was the way "Gone with the Wind" was capitalized in the credits and on the studios site, I would have no problem accepting it. Actually I would have wanted it that way.
So you'll gladly accept it if the anonymous DVD cover art designer gives you strange capitalization, but when Ken decides that his database will adhere to a standard of his choosing, while at the same time providing you with a program flexible enough to allow you to do pretty much what you want to locally, you have a problem?
I have no sympathy.
--------------- First of all, you need to learn to read. (See bold text.) Second. But (since you mention it) I would take the cover as a second or third source (if it could not be established from the places I wrote) every time over a invented capitalization by a filter. After all the cover is part of something that I have bought and want to profile. |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another thing.
The rules still say:
"Check capitalization of the title."
Why should we check the capitalization when the filter is forcing the capitalization on us?
Before 3.9 we could check the capitalization and use the rest of the capitalization rules if needed and get a sensible title that way. Now we are forced on a title even if that title can not be found anywhere else.
I think the old rules (before 3.9) was much better. They were not complete, but they made more sensible titles. I think the filter should be removed now, before it makes a lot more damage to the DB. Then go back to the pre 3.9 rules and just add a few lines about sources to search for the capitalization to use. If it can't be found on the sources, use the old capitalization examples. |
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| Registered: October 17, 2010 |  Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Flåklypa: Quote:
I think the filter should be removed now, before it makes a lot more damage to the DB.
I agree. There are thousands of cases like WALL-E, eXistenZ and XxX in the database where the filmmakers deliberately violated standard capitalization rules. It is not possible to program an automatic filter in a way that it doesn't change titles like this to a version of the title that is plainly wrong. Also I don't really see a reason why in one case (the films credits) we are supposed to copy everything exactly as it is written (even if we know it to be a mistake) and in another section of the profile we are supposed to change the actual data to something we know to be wrong. | | | Recently bought films:
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Flåklypa: Quote:
But (since you mention it) I would take the cover as a second or third source (if it could not be established from the places I wrote) every time over a invented capitalization by a filter. I'll let you in on a little known secret -- once the profile is in your local database you can modify the capitalization (and even spelling) of the title in ways that might surprise you. Try it some time. You can even lock the title field so that subsequent refreshes of the profile will not undo all your hard work achieving title perfection. You'll be amazed at how trivial all this will seem once the epiphany strikes. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | With that kind of attitude there is no need for a online database at all. Everyone can just add everything to their local database and lock it. Better for thousand people to do the exact same work, instead of one sharing the work with the other 999 people. Actually we don't even need to have locks, if the online does not exist. And we don't need common rules. Everyone can make their own rules for their own DB. So much easier everything would be.  | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Flåklypa: Quote:
With that kind of attitude there is no need for a online database at all. Everyone can just add everything to their local database and lock it. There is obviously a major difference between creating a profile from scratch and performing minor tweaking of an existing profile. Besides which I'm sure the vast majority of DVD Profiler users give not one moment's thought to any of this. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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With that kind of attitude there is no need for a online database at all. Everyone can just add everything to their local database and lock it.
There is obviously a major difference between creating a profile from scratch and performing minor tweaking of an existing profile. Besides which I'm sure the vast majority of DVD Profiler users give not one moment's thought to any of this.
--------------- Most DVDProfiler users do not give 1 thought to much of what is discussed here...  |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ncis: Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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