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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As much as I don't like it, and I don't, I agree that Ken has made his position quite clear. In this thread he said, "It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT." That means all you have to do is use the CLT, not provide the results, just use it.
Anyone who has seen one of my contributions knows what kind of notes I prefer...very detailed. While I can impose that standard on myself, I can't impose it on any other user. As Ken said, in the same post as above, "Users who prefer more rigidly documented common names are free to enforce those rules on their local data." While I don't agree, I can't go against that. This is his house and, if I wan't to stay here, I have to follow his rules. Very well said. I also try my best to put as much info for my contribution notes, much more than required by Invelos. That still doesn't give me a right to vote "no" to a contribution that meets Invelos' standards, but not mine. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well rightly or wrongly, the contribution has been accepted. Got to love the double standards. To remove an uncredited you need to prove they aren't in it but to add them you just need to say they're in it  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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You have no basis in the rules for doing so. Ken himself has stated that the research need not be provided unless there is a dispute over the identity of the name. The rules say to use the CLT. If someone states they've used the CLT, they've satisfied the rule and Ken's clarification (notwithstanding a name dispute).
As much as I don't like it, and I don't, I agree that Ken has made his position quite clear. In this thread he said, "It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT." That means all you have to do is use the CLT, not provide the results, just use it.
Anyone who has seen one of my contributions knows what kind of notes I prefer...very detailed. While I can impose that standard on myself, I can't impose it on any other user. As Ken said, in the same post as above, "Users who prefer more rigidly documented common names are free to enforce those rules on their local data." While I don't agree, I can't go against that. This is his house and, if I wan't to stay here, I have to follow his rules. As both Kulju and James have said, I agree with you about Ken not requiring the source be documented if the CLT is used. But like Skip, I tend to mistrust someone who claims to have done "extensive research" but refuses to document it. To me that is someone who is deliberately trying to be uncooperative. It wouldn't take much more time to provide the documentation. What's time consuming is the research itself. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I will accept CLT results, I will NOT ever accept something as vague as I did it, but i am not going to share the results. As Little Ken stated that is simply being uncooperative at a minimum, I would add arraogance way beyond uncooperative. I cannot accept such a simple concept, my preference would be far more detailed than what I am willing to go along with as you all know, that have read my notes. Ken is free to ignore it, but if I don't protest it then it will never be changed, so that's the way it is and will be from my POV. In my estimation those just willing to rollover and accept something that is based not only in poor logic, but not what is good for the Database, i will protest. The standard as being utilized is WORTHLESS, completely, we might just as well NOT have notes at all. Which is equally absurd, note I am not aksing for the level of detail that i use and were it up to me that i would expect of all Contribution. But I am not willing to accept NOTHING, fortunately regardles of what Ken or the screeners say, I still have the ULTIMATE vote and any user who submits such lousy documentation will be summarily refused as an update, and when my discs come out of storage and I begin an entirely new audit, such users had better be RIGHT.  Errors when discovered, and they will be, I have no doubt, will be immediately corrected. I am maintaing a database here of the titles involved in this nonsense and they will be audited FIRST. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Ken is free to ignore it, but if I don't protest it then it will never be changed, so that's the way it is and will be from my POV. Just a minute. Did I really ge this correctly? You vote "no" as a protest? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes and No, kulju. I do not interpret Ken's comment as loosely as a lot of people, simply because it's irrational.
Like I said the loose interpretation might just as well say we need no notes at all...it makes as much sense.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
As both Kulju and James have said, I agree with you about Ken not requiring the source be documented if the CLT is used. But like Skip, I tend to mistrust someone who claims to have done "extensive research" but refuses to document it. To me that is someone who is deliberately trying to be uncooperative. It wouldn't take much more time to provide the documentation. What's time consuming is the research itself. Don't get me wrong, I feel the same way and double check all contributions by people who work this way. In fact, I made the very same argument you just did as to why it shouldn't take much effort. Unfortunately, Ken came down on the other side of the street. I wasn't happy, but I have decided to live with it...though I won't allow that stuff into my local db. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | My other hope, unicus, is that if enough of us express our displeasure with these kinds of behaviors, perhaps the users will re-consider their actions, and stop using poor documentation in favor of some real meat.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
My other hope, unicus, is that if enough of us express our displeasure with these kinds of behaviors, perhaps the users will re-consider their actions, and stop using poor documentation in favor of some real meat. Your voting rights should be removed in this split second after this post. In your previous post you admit that you vote "no" against the rules to protest and now you are expecting others to join? What you are basically saying is that every time someone is unhappy about something in the rules he/she is allowed to vote as he/she wishes as a protest...   |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And your response is to launch a personal attack? Did i attack you, I don;'t think i did. I have explained my position very carefully. You may not agree with it, that's fine and i won't deny it to you. But to launch a personal attack, indicates to me that i am right, you have no counter argument, so you attack me for my opinion. Well done, my friend.  And personally i believe that users who write notse which are so utterly useless should have their Contribution rights revoked temporarily. We should not be dumbing down the database, thaty has been far too much already.I would much prefer to someone like yourself, kulju, instead of focusing your venom on me, simply look to how you can improve your notes (something I do continuously) to clearly communicate iwht other users both now and in the future. I have looked at some of my past notes, which I thought were good at the time, and I am asking myself what was I saying?. That serves to improve my notes NOT degrade them. It;'s really too bad that the onlly thing you can generate is hatred. I am sorry...ffor you. You know, Kulju, when I say I don't dislike you nor anyone else in thes Forums I mean exactly that. We can argue and fuss and fight and from my point of view when it's over, it's over, I'll take you out and we'll share a beer. This is why I don't make use of the blocking system, why would I want to block a friend. All blocking tells me in most cases is that the user doesn't have the ability to to bring a viable argument and can't stand toe to toe with me. This is true 98% of the time, i have watched it very carefully. In this case I have very low expectations of what I would like to see from this subset of users, and as I have said I don't interpret ken's comments to the lowest common denominator because that simply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The user might just as well say Here's my Contribution, it's just as valuable as what is being done. If you do the research bring it with your notes , if you use the CLT bring the results, it's not hard. I am not asking any user to follow my example, though there are many that do and many that do an even better job with their notes than i do, and I am pleased to vote Yes, not just pleased but downright tickled pink. It's a real pity, to me that we have so many who only know hatred in their life and express here way to often. I don't have time for it, it takes way too much energy to hate somebody. I am hopeful that somehow, someway these users will see the error of their ways and improve both their Contributions and their notes...we'll see...but i won't hold my breath...unless someone can do cyper CPR. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | We all have to deal with rules we don't like (Except Ken & Gerri, presumably). I'm not happy about the way some of the crew stuff shook out. That doesn't excuse us from voting according to the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And I do, Ace> I vote my interpretation of the Rules, that seems to be the popular approac, and everyone thinks they have a valid interpretation. Well, I think my interpretation is more valid than ANYONE's, because of special circumstances, that only one other user shares.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not from a moderator but anyhow:
Back to topic please ladies and gentlemen:
As a reminder: This thread is about uncredited cast members and what sources might possibly suffice to verify the appearance. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Well, I think my interpretation is more valid than ANYONE's, Don't we all? I can see this leading to problems. This sort of policy is exactly what leads to IMDB having a bunch of dubious uncredited cast (and they do take this problem seriously over there), but I think we are obligated to follow what Ken told us, especially without any evidence that fake crediting has become a problem here. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Well, I think my interpretation is more valid than ANYONE's, because of special circumstances, that only one other user shares.
Skip [rant removed before it was ever posted] All I can say is.... wow.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like I said, Rick, i have insight relative to the Rules which is possessed by only one other person. Whether you like that or not is neither relevant nor my problem. I's a factual statement, it's not ego, I don't have one, nor anything else. Unlike you I don't go skulking around the Forums sniping when I get the chance But, that said also whether you like it or not, you are my friend, let's go have a beer.
Your hatred is depressing, it takes so much from your posts.
I will say this this is probably the most judgemental group of users I have evr seen in near 30 years Online, going back to 1981. Really a depressing lot.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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