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I am one of the earliest German profiler users, over the years I have been part of several Intervocative/Invelos rule committees that helped shape the rules to their current form, and I have contributed countless profile updates since 2001. That only as a short reminder (since I'm not that active in this forum anymore as I used to be) - just in case anyone accuses me of disrespecting the rules for my following comments. 

First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community.

Secondly, as several other German users have pointed out, it is common in the German language to use the hyphen. It was decided in the German community to use this for the profiles, and this is what has been done for more than seven years - resulting in thousands of profiles with a hyphen. And this is what will be done in the future. Period.

I appreciate the opinions of the international users, but as has been explained to you: This is none of your concern.  Don't even dream about forcing us to a change here. And to those saying "Germany can't go off and do their own thing": Oh, yes, we can! We have done it in the past and we will continue to do so (especially in a case like this that is a) not clear in the rules and b) accepted by Ken and the screeners).

In contrast to this mad house here in the international forum, in the German Profiler community we have a majority of reasonable users who are able to discuss things in a civilized manner and make rational decisions. Using the hyphen for titles is one of those rational decisions that were made, and we will protected it by all means.

Any attempts to change the titles to use colons will be voted down - that is a fact. And if it is necessary that us old Profiler users like Tom, me and many others build a group and support each other in this, it is what will happen.

Is this the kind of "reasonable debate" that occurs in the German forums?

Heil!!

Very interesting.

I can understand that the RC1 users cant't go with my opinion, but there is just a small amount of RC1 movies which are influenced by this.
Most German profiles that are influenced, are with "original title - German tagline".
Many movies in RC1 have the same title on cover, as original title is, so there it would be absolutely making no sense to different this.

If original title is XXX : YYYY and on cover is

XXX
YYYYY

of course they use ":" and not "-". I would also make it like this.

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Using hyphens to separate original titles from "local language" titles is a completely different topic than what we are discussing here.

We are not "separating" anything. For example finnish title, "Village - Kylä". Word "Village" IS part of the localized title. "Village: Kylä" would be, hmmm...idiotic....    

Nice to hear that it's not just a thing of the German language to seperate with hyphon. 

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First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community.

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In contrast to this mad house here in the international forum, in the German Profiler community we have a majority of reasonable users who are able to discuss things in a civilized manner and make rational decisions. Using the hyphen for titles is one of those rational decisions that were made, and we will protect it by all means.

Nevermind the rest of the post but, am I the only one who sees these two statements as contradictory?  Telling someone where he can and can't discuss Profiler matters...especially when you consider the fact that these are the official Profiler forums...sure doesn't seem civilized and rational.  Maybe I just don't understand what those words mean. 

In addition to that, one has to wonder what type of reaction Skip would have gotten had he made a similar post aimed at one of our international users. 

I think this will be my last post in this discussion.
(Btw, if we want to change all profiles with hyphon this will give a lot of work to us users and the screeners)

So just from the logical side:
Per rules we use colon for ...
... Episode descripers: "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock" -> The Search for Spock is a episode from/of Star Trek
... music and stage performance DVDs: "U2: Rattle and Hum" -> It's the concert Rattle and Hum from/of the band U2.

"Schweine und Diamanten" is ! nothing ! from/of "Snatch". So why is it logical to use the same seperator? Woludn't it be more logical to use another seperator, like e.g. hyphon?

Btw, as standard the Edition is seperated by colon, which is also logical, because it's the Edition from/of a movie.

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I am happy to go with the German useage of a hyphen, as it appears to have been done for many years now without any problems, as long as it is agreed by Ken and later added to the rules.
This is really one occasion I think he or Gerri need to jump in with a declaration before this thread spirals into the gutter.

Good words, thanks. 

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What we need here is consistency!

So if all episodes were separated by a colon and all 'subtitles' with hyphens that would mean consistency, right? 

Except that Germany should not be off doing whatever they damn well please. Hal is right the vast majority of Profiles will use colons and I have provided numerous examples. Perhaps it is a good idea to isolate every country, after alll why should France or Germany have any interest in R1 data, it's illegal for them to own R1 titles, so they have no interest...right? Thern perhaps as Martian noted they should stay out of R1 discussions.

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I am happy to go with the German useage of a hyphen, as it appears to have been done for many years now without any problems, as long as it is agreed by Ken and later added to the rules.
This is really one occasion I think he or Gerri need to jump in with a declaration before this thread spirals into the gutter.

What do you mean 'before'?  One user has been told to shut up, another was insulted, yet another was chastised for using the official Profiler forums and the non-German users have been told to butt out and mind their own business...nevermind the fact that they seem to have no problem participating in R1 discussions. 

Rude behavior and hypocricy, I am sorry to say, sent this thread to the gutter back on page 1. 

Good points, I amended my wording