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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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When a film is remade, the original screenwriters get an OMB credit. No adaptation between mediums there either.
They do, since when. I list them as Screenwriters because they are, and then I list the ACTUAL CREDIT. They aren't OMB and can't even be interpreted as OMB.
I hope I have misunderstood as that would be wrong. 
If someone is credited as "Based on the screenplay by," they get an OMB credit as that was the original material that the new screenplay was based on. They can't be listed as screenwriters as they did not write the screenplay for the new movie, so it has to be OMB. If it isn't OMB, then they don't get listed and that just doesn't make any sense to me. Agree with the Martian here - based on a screenplay by is most definitely OMB. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I am sorry, but you do not have two screenplay credits. "Based on the original screenplay by" is not in the credit chart. If it isn't OMB, which I believe it is, then it can't be entered. To enter that person as screenwriter, however, just pollutes the data with misinformation.
The screenwriter credit is for the person who wrote the screenplay for the film being profiled. It is not for tracking the person who wrote a screenplay for a completely different film. To use it that way just doesn't make any sense to me.
I have to ask, since that is an interpretation that appears NOWHERE in the Rules. Where did it come from. As long as you admit out of your head, you are fine, but it is NOT in the Rules. Not even remotely.
Skip Seems fairly obvious to me. With the exception of OMB and OCB, everything we enter into the profile has to do with the film we are profiling. We don't enter people that wrote songs unless those songs were written specifically for the film being profiled, why would screenwriter be any different? I have seen credits that read, "Based on the film produced by John Smith." Am I supposed to enter John Smith as producer even though he had nothing to do with the film I am profiling? Based on your comments, it seems you would, but it doesn't make any sense to me.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
It doesn't have to be in the rules chart. There are no roles listed for OMB. Technically speaking, one role is listed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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It doesn't have to be in the rules chart. There are no roles listed for OMB.
Technically speaking, one role is listed. OK. There are no 'Credited As' listed for OMB. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No, Martian you do not misunderstand me. The Rules for OMB says "Adapted from another medium. A remade screenplay is NOT another medium, it is the SAME MEDIUM, therefore it cannot be OMB..no way, and I don't recall ever seeing any such discussion or agreement. A Screenplay is a Screenplay is a Screenplay, that simple, especially with our new ability to capture the Actual Credit. So you would have a credit that might Based on the original Screenplay by Joe Blow and Screenplay By Mary Jones, two different under the same heading and there is no way that the first one can be OMB, it is not another medium. Based on the play is another medium, but not another screenplay, that's bizarre...based on the Rules and the Credit Chart.
Skip The fact that the Rules say "adapted from another medium" in the "Notes" section, does not change the actual fact that the original screenplay is indeed the "Original Material" on which the current film is based, and it most certainly does deserve an OMB credit. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I am sorry, but you do not have two screenplay credits. "Based on the original screenplay by" is not in the credit chart. If it isn't OMB, which I believe it is, then it can't be entered. To enter that person as screenwriter, however, just pollutes the data with misinformation.
The screenwriter credit is for the person who wrote the screenplay for the film being profiled. It is not for tracking the person who wrote a screenplay for a completely different film. To use it that way just doesn't make any sense to me.
I have to ask, since that is an interpretation that appears NOWHERE in the Rules. Where did it come from. As long as you admit out of your head, you are fine, but it is NOT in the Rules. Not even remotely.
Skip Tell me you are kidding, Skip. Or that you are playing another of your little games where you argue something you don't believe just to see how Pavlov's dogs react! You can't seriously believe that a "Based on a screenplay by" credit would actually get a "Screenwriter" credit in any profile. Or that the "Screenwriter" credit in DVDP should not be reserved for the person who wrote the screenplay for the movie that is being profiled. Please....tell me you're just jesting!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course, there's always the following facts:
Screenplay = written document
Movie = film
So when a MOVIE is "Based on a screenplay by X", it is very much a different medium! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I am sorry, but you do not have two screenplay credits. "Based on the original screenplay by" is not in the credit chart. If it isn't OMB, which I believe it is, then it can't be entered. To enter that person as screenwriter, however, just pollutes the data with misinformation.
The screenwriter credit is for the person who wrote the screenplay for the film being profiled. It is not for tracking the person who wrote a screenplay for a completely different film. To use it that way just doesn't make any sense to me.
I have to ask, since that is an interpretation that appears NOWHERE in the Rules. Where did it come from. As long as you admit out of your head, you are fine, but it is NOT in the Rules. Not even remotely.
Skip
Seems fairly obvious to me. With the exception of OMB and OCB, everything we enter into the profile has to do with the film we are profiling. We don't enter people that wrote songs unless those songs were written specifically for the film being profiled, why would screenwriter be any different?
I have seen credits that read, "Based on the film produced by John Smith." Am I supposed to enter John Smith as producer even though he had nothing to do with the film I am profiling? Based on your comments, it seems you would, but it doesn't make any sense to me. For once Martian, your logic makes absolutely no sense, especially given that we can capture the Actual Credit now and to top it off you are inventing things. This is a genuine rarity, but what you are saying is totally irrational. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Of course, there's always the following facts:
Screenplay = written document
Movie = film
So when a MOVIE is "Based on a screenplay by X", it is very much a different medium! ROFLMAO when is a screenplay not a screenplay. Hal that is desperation.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
For once Martian, your logic makes absolutely no sense, especially given that we can capture the Actual Credit now and to top it off you are inventing things. This is a genuine rarity, but what you are saying is totally irrational.
Skip LOL. This is like a Monty Python skit. Take a position that is flatly ridiculous, then defend it by whatever means you can So despite the rules of every awards show with a relevant category, common sense, etc, you don't want to count the writer of a screenplay that gets re-made as OMB based on hair-splitting interpretation of a word. I will also point out this is a new position for you. You didn't mention it when Cape Feare came up. I'm going to assume you had other thigns to be contrary about then, but have now moved on. There is no substantial difference here than we need to track. This is the epitome of an arbitrary standard. Rules exist to make the data useful, not for their own sake. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
For once Martian, your logic makes absolutely no sense, especially given that we can capture the Actual Credit now and to top it off you are inventing things. This is a genuine rarity, but what you are saying is totally irrational.
Skip The only comment I will make concerning your unprovoked insults is that they apply to your comments, not mine. Thankfully, you are alone in that line of thinking. As for this being a rarity, it isn't. I have seen it on several occasions. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Rules exist to make the data useful, not for their own sake. This is indeed how things should be.  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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For once Martian, your logic makes absolutely no sense, especially given that we can capture the Actual Credit now and to top it off you are inventing things. This is a genuine rarity, but what you are saying is totally irrational.
Skip
The only comment I will make concerning your unprovoked insults is that they apply to your comments, not mine. Thankfully, you are alone in that line of thinking. As for this being a rarity, it isn't. I have seen it on several occasions. Not an insult, martian. Your arguments are generally speaking the most rational and well thought out...but not this one. And Ace if you are trying to make data useful then it can be nothing oother Screenplay and wwe have the ability to refine that data. Trying to shoehorn it intyo somewhere it does not belong is literallt stupid and confusing. Well it says Screenplay by but is it REALLY a Sccreenplay, I mean hah has already tried what si and is not a Screenplay. We have users getting Ken to make changes not based upon data but based upon what is LIKED or NOT Liked about the data, now we have users wanting changes designed only to confuse other users and to suit a totally unworkable preference. There is one Rule at Profiler that drives everything else, CHAOS, do or say or support anything that will create CHAOS. I might have been able to accept this ummmm nonsense before 3.6, but with 3.6 a nonsense becomes utterly stupid because NOW we can define exactly what the Credit really is and IF people will, Contribute useful notes, the n we really have something. Aside from that the only other answer is to flat out be able to define exactly what we see, just to shut down this sort inanity, I am so desperate to see an end brought to the people who support chaos, that is not even funny. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Could be language problem, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
To make an adaption there always has to be some kind of base to adapt?
So this base would be some kind of original material. So a person who adapts something couldn't get an OMB. (Because he didn't make the original material)
Well, something could be re-adapted. Person A writes a screenplay based on Person B's TV series which was in turn based on C & D's comic book or something. Agree that such re-adaptions are possible, but imho the OMB just gets the inventor of the original material. (In your example C&D) Edit: With my explanation beneath, it would be possible that B gets an OMB.  | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can understand Skips opinion based on the notes in the credit chart. So all adapted from the same medium couldn't get a OMB for the original story, so that just OCB would be possible for the original inventor.
But I think the notes are a kind of addition/explanation and perhaps not complete or not perfect.
Don't know if you can agree, but this is as what I understand the credits:
- OMB: Inventor of the original story, just matching, if the movie the credit is in, has the same story.
- OCB: Inventor of the original characters. For credits in movies, which use the same characters in a different story. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Of course, there's always the following facts:
Screenplay = written document
Movie = film
So when a MOVIE is "Based on a screenplay by X", it is very much a different medium!
ROFLMAO when is a screenplay not a screenplay. Hal that is desperation.
Skip You are serious! Wow! It's not a screenplay credit when it is not the screenplay that was used in filming the movie! "Based on a screenplay by" means the movie was not filmed using that screenplay, but that the screenplay that was used to film the movie was based on the other person's screenplay. Do you really not see the difference here?  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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