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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MassL: Quote: But not completely correct either. Only SPIO/JK with "strafrechtlich unbedenklich" (no severe danger to youth) aren't allowed to sell openly or to advertise them. SPIO/JK with "Keine schwere Jugengefährdung" (not in violation of applicable criminal law) are allowed to sell openly und to advertise them: Thanks for correcting. You're right. Just have seen an advertisment in a DVD Magazin. But in normal shops I've never seen movies with "Keine schwere Jugendgefährung". Hmm, perhaps I've to search for different shops. |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MassL: Quote: Only movies with an old "FSK18" rating before 2003 can be put on index, but now even movies with an "Keine Jugengefährdung" can't. Only "SPIO/JK" rated movies and those old "FSK18". But you can also read the law in JuSchuG §18 Absatz 8. Movies, which were rated by FSK can't be indexed. Second time a thanks for the correction. My law book JuSchuG says the same. But this seems very strange for me, because this are different parties that rate a movie and that decide if it gets indexed. So even if a movie would get indexed, it could not get indexed because of an existing FSK rating?! German law! |
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Registered: May 17, 2007 | Posts: 21 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Quoting MassL:
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They didn't accept the rating "not rated" because in America for eample, now as I know from comments here, that not rated doesn't mean for adults only. Actually just in Germany it is. And "porno" is in the original language version (english) the genre for "adult". And I think the German language version should be overworked in this case... or the knowledge of screeners about ratings in Germany... But know it got accepted with no change of the rating. That's what looks a bit strange to me. If we would know what changed the decision, we would know what to do to get the correct rating into a profile. Just for clarification, I've no problem to give porn movies the Adult rating, but I need clarification what should be entered with wich rating. (If it is because of international reasons)
Edit: Should read the op better. Adult for rating or Genre. Does both lead into the same filtering? Still a bit strange imho. And if someone could clear me up I would be thankful. I think "not rated" is no rating for adults, but "Keine Jugenfreigabe" is (there isn't a rating called "adult"!). In America a not rated movie could be for teenagers or something like that (as you can read in the comments a few posts ago), so screeners don't see "not rated" not as an adult movie. And "adult" doesn't exist in the genres of the German language version, there it's called "Porno". Hope I could explan it understandable. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting MassL: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
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They didn't accept the rating "not rated" because in America for eample, now as I know from comments here, that not rated doesn't mean for adults only. Actually just in Germany it is. And "porno" is in the original language version (english) the genre for "adult". And I think the German language version should be overworked in this case... or the knowledge of screeners about ratings in Germany... But know it got accepted with no change of the rating. That's what looks a bit strange to me. If we would know what changed the decision, we would know what to do to get the correct rating into a profile. Just for clarification, I've no problem to give porn movies the Adult rating, but I need clarification what should be entered with wich rating. (If it is because of international reasons)
Edit: Should read the op better. Adult for rating or Genre. Does both lead into the same filtering? Still a bit strange imho. And if someone could clear me up I would be thankful. I think "not rated" is no rating for adults, but "Keine Jugenfreigabe" is (there isn't a rating called "adult"!). In America a not rated movie could be for teenagers or something like that (as you can read in the comments a few posts ago), so screeners don't see "not rated" not as an adult movie. And "adult" doesn't exist in the genres of the German language version, there it's called "Porno". Hope I could explan it understandable. In the US, not rated means not rated. It could be an adult porno film, unrated director's cut of a mainstream movie, or children's cartoon. So obviously we do not want to automatically lump not rated with adult films. | | | My Home Theater |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 599 |
| Posted: | | | | Just read this thread from the beginning. Wow, so much for the friendly atmosphere as of late. |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks xradman and MassL for the replies. This was something I was aware of. But my main question remains: How should I threat the rating for German DVDs to have it correct and acceptable for the database. Is Adult just porn or does it also mean Just suitable for adult? If it is not just porn: Is the decision if it is Adult based on the German ratings/law? ... |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Antares: Quote: Just read this thread from the beginning. Wow, so much for the friendly atmosphere as of late. Well it is not all milk and honey here, but overall the whole forum has improved alot during the last week or so Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | I must be missing something, because as I remember the film Ilsa--She Wolf of the SS it would hardly meet what I call "porno." Soft-core, maybe, but no worse than, say, Bluebeard with Richard Burton, et. al., and a lot tamer than other explotation films that aren't classified as "adult" in the database. There's a lot more reason to shield the young minds from the violence in the film than the sexual content. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: I must be missing something, because as I remember the film Ilsa--She Wolf of the SS it would hardly meet what I call "porno." Soft-core, maybe, but no worse than, say, Bluebeard with Richard Burton, et. al., and a lot tamer than other explotation films that aren't classified as "adult" in the database. There's a lot more reason to shield the young minds from the violence in the film than the sexual content. That's the problem. The screeners seem to have made an arbitary decision based purely on the cover. And without a proper definition of what constitutes an "adult" title in the eyes of Invelos, we probably won't have much hope of getting it changed. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: we probably won't have much hope of getting it changed.
It will never change, so the best way to deal with it is to not contribute those films since it looks like it's the only way to make a point here... Sure it is sad for those who collect those films (wich are not in the database for the majority of them), but I prefer to keep my works for myself than being insulted by a screener who had never seen the film and judge it arbitrally... |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: That's the problem. The screeners seem to have made an arbitary decision based purely on the cover. And that makes sense, since the ability for Invelos to filter out certain covers is the whole point of the exercise. What would help is if we could replace the adult "genre" with something called "shallweshowthiscovereverywherewithoutpriorwarning?" | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | What I meant was the screeners have made an assumption about the content of the film based on the cover, the cover itself is not explicit but it is a bit salacious (if that's how you spell it). The cover itself is not adult, I've seen much more explicit ones in the average dvd store. Apologies if I gave the wrong impression. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | I've seen PG-13 movies with more offensive cover than that... Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS All Regions Released: 2000-07-18 Anamorphic 1.66 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: What I meant was the screeners have made an assumption about the content of the film based on the cover, the cover itself is not explicit but it is a bit salacious (if that's how you spell it). The cover itself is not adult, I've seen much more explicit ones in the average dvd store. Apologies if I gave the wrong impression. How do you know the screeners made an assumption? From everything I have read, this could be considered 'soff-core' which, unless I have missed something, qualifies as 'adult'. I honestly don't get what the big deal is here. There are things, in Profiler, that I don't care for. For those things, I contribute based on the rules, then change it local. If I don't want to do that, I simply don't contribute. For profiles that I download, I change them once I get around to auditing them. I don't know why it has to be any harder than that...I really don't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to say I agree with the Martian on this.
Plus... I always thought it was based on the DVD content... not on only what is on the cover. The soft core stuff is still adult oriented. | | | Pete |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: ... Plus... I always thought it was based on the DVD content... not on only what is on the cover. The soft core stuff is still adult oriented. That's the question: What is Adult for DVDP purposes? With that information, we could discuss much better. |
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