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The continued drama we call "parsing": Elaine Corral Kendall |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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You asked the following question:
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Why would I treat a credit of 'Corral-Kendall' any different?
By asking that question, you are more than implying that I said that it should be treated differently. That's is just flat wrong. I never said it should be treated differently.
That is not what I was implying, but you go ahead and believe what you want. Whatever you say. There was no purpose to ask the question otherwise. Taken in full context, I find it hard to believe this assertion. Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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After all this time, you know darn well that I am a strong proponent "As Credited". 'Corral-Kendall' would definitely go in the "As credited" field, however, the Common Name must be determined, according to the Rules when a person's name is different than the way they are credited, which they are in this case. When determining a Common Name is required, you can't just say, oh it's 'Corral-Kendall' in the credits, so that's proof enough to enter it as the "Actor Name" field without checking to see if the Common Name would be different per the CLT.
And you have the nerver to accuse me of twisting what you said.
We are talking about the parsing of the common name, not what the common name is. Never did I say we should enter 'Corral-Kendall' as the common name. What I said was, a credit of 'Corral-Kendall' was proof enough to parse the common name as 'Elaine/ /Corral Kendall' instead of 'Elaine/Corral/Kendall'. Since parsing the common name is required when determining the common name, then we most certainly were talking about what the common name is. I am totally lost by your logic where you can take a credit of Elaine Corral-Kendall and come to the conclusion that the common name should be parsed 'Elaine//Corral Kendall'. Why wouldn't it be 'Elaine//Corral-Kendall'? Makes no sense to me. Quoting Unicus69 Quote:
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You love to cherry pick little bits and pieces of a post and argue them when they are incidental to the main point being made.
Again, I was thinking the same thing about you since, based on your post, you had no idea what I was talking about. At least, now, I know why you thought I was implying something I wasn't.  You claimed that her name should be parsed in the common name field (since that's the only place we do parsing) as 'Elaine//Corral Kendall', based solely on the fact that a single credit in DVDP listed her as 'Elaine Corral-Kendall'. So exactly how do you conclude that I have no idea what you're talking about? Squirm, squirm...... | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let it go guys, Gerri has already ruled. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Since parsing the common name is required when determining the common name, then we most certainly were talking about what the common name is. Well, this explains a lot. Unfortunately, it seems that you don't know how the CLT works as parsing is not required when determining the common name. For the record, the CLT ignores parsing and capitalization. Take 'Courtney Cox Arquette' as an example...when you put that name in the CLT, 'Courtney/Cox/Arquette' as well as 'Courtney/ /Cox Arquette' will be displayed in the results. As Ken has stated, quite a few times, the CLT looks at the display name, not the parsed name. Quote:
I am totally lost by your logic where you can take a credit of Elaine Corral-Kendall and come to the conclusion that the common name should be parsed 'Elaine//Corral Kendall'. Why wouldn't it be 'Elaine//Corral-Kendall'? Makes no sense to me. Further proof that you aren't understanding what I said. Regardless of how it is parsed, the common name is 'Elaine Corral Kendall'. It can't be ''Elaine Corral-Kendall' because the CLT shows that name is only used in 2 titles while the other is used in 26. Quote:
You claimed that her name should be parsed in the common name field (since that's the only place we do parsing) as 'Elaine//Corral Kendall', based solely on the fact that a single credit in DVDP listed her as 'Elaine Corral-Kendall'.
So exactly how do you conclude that I have no idea what you're talking about?
Squirm, squirm...... Because you keep asking why it wouldn't be 'Elaine//Corral-Kendall'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Let it go guys, Gerri has already ruled. If he wants to disagree with my opinion, that is fine and I can let that go. If he wants to question my logic and accuse me of squirming, that is fine and I can let that go as well. The problem I have is that he is making claims, about what is required to determine the common name, that simply aren't true. That, I can't let go. We are required to use the CLT to determine the common name. The CLT looks at spelling, spacing and punctuation. Parsing and capitalization are ignored. I have conducted quite a few tests and the results are always the same. I have been polite and on topic so I hope there isn't an issue.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
We are required to use the CLT to determine the common name. The CLT looks at spelling, spacing and punctuation. Parsing and capitalization are ignored. I have conducted quite a few tests and the results are always the same. This is correct. Birth year is also ignored. The CLT can provide the most credited name but does not provide the parsing. We can't tell from the CLT alone whether it's E/C/K or E//C K. Gerri has ruled that the single credit of E//C-K isn't enough, which is fine for now. But if there had been more E//C-K evidence, it could have proven E//C K as the parsing (from research) of the common name (from the CLT). | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | More and more with the parsing of words.
This whole conversation is about how to parse the name, at least that's according to the OP and the actual poll.
The only time parsing is an issue is when you are entering the "Actor Name" AKA common name.
So when you parse this person's name into the "Actor Name", your assertion was that you can legitimately use the fact that she is credited a single time in one film as 'Elaine Corral-Kendall' as proof that her name should be parsed 'Elaine//Corral Kendall'.
That was the original point that I took exception with, stating that one instance doesn't prove anything, that filmmakers make mistakes all the time in credits. You consequently morphed my statements into something completely different, first about my making an analogy that didn't hold water (like that had anything to do with my point) and then having to do with "determining" the common name, which again had nothing to do with my point.
And FYI, I know exactly how the CLT works and hardly need you to explain it to me. But thanks, anyway.
I think you just see my name and automatically turn on "argumentative mode". | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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We are required to use the CLT to determine the common name. The CLT looks at spelling, spacing and punctuation. Parsing and capitalization are ignored. I have conducted quite a few tests and the results are always the same.
But if there had been more E//C-K evidence, it could have proven E//C K as the parsing (from research) of the common name (from the CLT). I also made this point in my original post. More evidence would be required than just one film credit. It's very possible that enough is available to support the "E//C K" parsing. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
This is correct. Birth year is also ignored. Thanks for that, I had forgotten about the birth year. Quote:
The CLT can provide the most credited name but does not provide the parsing. We can't tell from the CLT alone whether it's E/C/K or E//C K. Gerri has ruled that the single credit of E//C-K isn't enough, which is fine for now. But if there had been more E//C-K evidence, it could have proven E//C K as the parsing (from research) of the common name (from the CLT). As I said before, the rules do not deal with parsing in any way, shape or form. Neither do they indicate what kind of evidence is enough. Because of that, each person can decide what they feel is enough. In this case, I felt it was enough...and I wasn't alone as the poll currently sits at 18-17 in favor of 'E/ /C K'. While I don't agree with her, I am glad that Gerri stepped in and made a decision. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
This is correct. Birth year is also ignored.
Contrary to the way the CLT handles parsing, I would call the ignoring of the birth year a bug in the CLT. On the other side, the linking system should ignore parsing. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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