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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Anyway, I don't know why I am still here, the issue is settled. The issue is not settled until it is written in the rules. We have many contributors who never come here, so, as many other statements of Ken and Gerri, this will soon be lost in the thousands pages of those forums. And I'm really interested to see how this will be explained clearly in rules for a general application. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But, even though I believe that the names are in mixed case, the rest of the overview is in all caps (in your hypothetical) and I would have no problem with "ignoring" the mixed case of the names when it comes to applying the Rule that says if the Overview is in all caps, to enter it in mixed case. Entering the overview in all caps, except for the names, would look awful and reduce readability.
Not sure if I've answered your question or not. You did indeed. Thanks! Edit: And on a separate note, even though an official ruling has been given, the opposite decision is pulling further ahead in the poll. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
I am a printer. I own a design firm. I have worked with type since linotype machine and have set type from cases. Upper case type characters (you call capitals) are in the upper cases. Lower case type is in the lower cases. Small caps (as in these names) are in lower cases. Small caps is, in fact, a form of lower case letters.
Anything else is incorrect. To call small caps upper case or all caps can only come from lack of knowlege of true typefaces.
Gerri's ruling is absolutely correct. Cliff: Gerri ruled and I disagree with her absolutely. I am also thrilled with you experience as a printer buut you are also wrong. There is no locic in what you say based on the design of the Program. We are NIOT concerned woth either the size of the typeface nor the Font style. If we had that kind of capability, the arguments would endless. The Overview very clearly has three different sizes of Font, but that is not relevant, the name Anthony Hopkins is very clearly listed in ALL CAPS Ndoes not equal n, I does not equal i, nor for that matter does P equal p. As long as we are unable to deal with Font size and style (and I hope that will be forever) then such discussion arer completely and utterly useless, Gerri's ruling has unwittingly opened other cans of worms with regard to Overviews which have not been thought, buit I will leave others to create those controversies. Since we have users who absolutely adore looking for them. I also find it very amusing that Gerri's ruling files in the face of the poll. which is correct. Just one more reason why I won't contribute, logic has completely flown out the window as has simplicity, complexity Rules and so do issues which are iot even relevant. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. THANK YOU!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. Awesome! Thanks Ken! | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. As it should be, thank you, Ken. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
This was my fault - I spent the AM sick and was a bit out of it when Gerri asked my opinion on this. My understanding of the question this morning was that the entire overview was in a small-cap font, with some large caps. In that case, the overview should be entered in mixed case.
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. Thank you for weighing in. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps. Except that they are not in all caps. They are a combination of upper case first letters and small caps for the rest of the name, or mixed case. "All Caps" makes all of the letters uppercase and the same size. That's not what is in this overview. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The way I see it... it is all caps. That is how I always did it anyway.
Quoting gardibolt:
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I wouldn't vote No against either one.
I would vote No against anyone trying to change one to the other unless there were some other contribution of value since this would not be a contribution of significant value. "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."
That significant value line in the rules is something that always bugged me. I mean define significant value. It certainly isn't defined in the rules... and what is significant is different to each person. I know to me personally as long as it is a correct addition... or even correction (as long as it is correct) it adds significant value... no matter the size of the update. So in my eyes at least even if someone took a profile such as this one.. and made the names all caps only... in my opinion that would be adding significant value. In this instance, as a perusal of the poll results and the discussion make obvious, there are good reasons to do either way, and it's not obviously wrong. Therefore, no significant value and just starting up a ping-pong war. Still a No vote. EDIT: Posted this before I saw Ken's response. So move along, nothing to see here. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Anyway, I don't know why I am still here, the issue is settled.
The issue is not settled until it is written in the rules. We have many contributors who never come here, so, as many other statements of Ken and Gerri, this will soon be lost in the thousands pages of those forums. And I'm really interested to see how this will be explained clearly in rules for a general application. I guess I should have been more specific...the issue is settled for me. Whether or not it is in the rules, I have read what Gerri has written, and I will abide by that decision. It is unfortunate that those people who do not visit the forums will miss out on this, but I am not one of them. Edit: I see that Ken has commented. Needless to say, I will abide by that post since it is the newer of the two. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps.
Except that they are not in all caps. They are a combination of upper case first letters and small caps for the rest of the name, or mixed case. "All Caps" makes all of the letters uppercase and the same size. That's not what is in this overview. Hal: You are talking about Font SIZE, the program cannot address Font Size or style, it does not change that the letters are factually Caps., as demonstrated against the remainder of the overview. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many thanks for the re-clarification Ken |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Hal:
You are talking about Font SIZE, the program cannot address Font Size or style, it does not change that the letters are factually Caps., as demonstrated against the remainder of the overview.
Skip Please don't presume to tell me what I am talking about. I am not talking about font size. I am talking about the mixture of upper case letters and small caps. That is mixed case no matter how much you want to make it something else. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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However, in this particular case, with only some of the words in all caps, those words should be entered in all caps.
Except that they are not in all caps. They are a combination of upper case first letters and small caps for the rest of the name, or mixed case. "All Caps" makes all of the letters uppercase and the same size. That's not what is in this overview. I'd say use of Small caps in this overview is closer to stylistic BOLD for emphasis rather than intending it for ALL CAPS. | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Hal:
You are talking about Font SIZE, the program cannot address Font Size or style, it does not change that the letters are factually Caps., as demonstrated against the remainder of the overview.
Skip
Please don't presume to tell me what I am talking about. I am not talking about font size. I am talking about the mixture of upper case letters and small caps. That is mixed case no matter how much you want to make it something else. Well, Hal, I see your argument as totally wrong and illogical. We just have to agree to disagree, but Ken has ruled. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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