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Except that Germany should not be off doing whatever they damn well please.
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Sometimes I read post like this from you. Do you think this is bringing a benefit to the discussion? 

Like I read in this thread, there are also users from other countrys that think it hasn't to be colon. And as it isn't clearly ruled, we should use this thread to discuss the problem.

... And not to make a bad mood to some nations. 

I think he's really aiming it towards people like TigiHof who have said that Germans will do what they want -

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And to those saying "Germany can't go off and do their own thing": Oh, yes, we can! We have done it in the past and we will continue to do so

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So while it might not be all users from a locality who give a bad reputation, there are a few vocal ones who do.

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Quoting Woola:

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Except that Germany should not be off doing whatever they damn well please.
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Sometimes I read post like this from you. Do you think this is bringing a benefit to the discussion? 

Like I read in this thread, there are also users from other countrys that think it hasn't to be colon. And as it isn't clearly ruled, we should use this thread to discuss the problem.

... And not to make a bad mood to some nations. 

I don't disagree with you but you can't lay all the blame on Skip.  There are a couple of other users who made posts that brought no benifit to this discussion and helped "to make a bad mood to some nations."  If you are going to chastise Skip, they should be chastised as well.

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I have looked at the rules and do not see any rules pertaining to this subject. I might very well have missed it so I ask again, please, if someone knows where it is, point it out.

Unless there is a rule, or a clarification from Ken or Gerri, the answer to the question posted in this thread is completely subjective. And, as the poll indicates, it is one that does not have a clear answer.

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Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.

That is where they want it clearing up. Some are saying it applies to all subtitles while others don't think it does.

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I have looked at the rules and do not see any rules pertaining to this subject. I might very well have missed it so I ask again, please, if someone knows where it is, point it out.

Unless there is a rule, or a clarification from Ken or Gerri, the answer to the question posted in this thread is completely subjective. And, as the poll indicates, it is one that does not have a clear answer.

Unfortunately, you are correct, this is another grey area not addressed by the rules.  It would be nice if a standard was added so that everyone is on the same page.

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I am one of the earliest German profiler users, over the years I have been part of several Intervocative/Invelos rule committees that helped shape the rules to their current form, and I have contributed countless profile updates since 2001. That only as a short reminder (since I'm not that active in this forum anymore as I used to be) - just in case anyone accuses me of disrespecting the rules for my following comments. 

First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community.

Secondly, as several other German users have pointed out, it is common in the German language to use the hyphen. It was decided in the German community to use this for the profiles, and this is what has been done for more than seven years - resulting in thousands of profiles with a hyphen. And this is what will be done in the future. Period.

I appreciate the opinions of the international users, but as has been explained to you: This is none of your concern.  Don't even dream about forcing us to a change here. And to those saying "Germany can't go off and do their own thing": Oh, yes, we can! We have done it in the past and we will continue to do so (especially in a case like this that is a) not clear in the rules and b) accepted by Ken and the screeners).

In contrast to this mad house here in the international forum, in the German Profiler community we have a majority of reasonable users who are able to discuss things in a civilized manner and make rational decisions. Using the hyphen for titles is one of those rational decisions that were made, and we will protect it by all means.

Any attempts to change the titles to use colons will be voted down - that is a fact. And if it is necessary that us old Profiler users like Tom, me and many others build a group and support each other in this, it is what will happen.

     

I don't know if I can adequately describe this, but i will try. When I confront situations , which seem unclear, I will look at the Rule,, the Online, even other collections to determine the answer. I am not like i view many users here in the forums, I can almost see the glee and the hand-rubbing when someone finds something that they believe they can apply their own interpretation to. This to me indicates users who do not understand the Online, it function or even data, they merely have one single goal and that is putting their mark on the Online, deliberately throwing a handful of mud in the water instead of looking for the least problem caus9ing solution. In this case an entire country is off doing it's own thing and they don't care about the impact it has. I ALWAYS look for the least confrontational answer because all I really care about is one page for all, I have no room for users who want to do their own thing and no time either. So, what is lLEAST confrontational answer, evidently there are a lot of R1 users who understand this concept, because the subject never cam up here, we all just applied the colon. So an awful lot of users saw this is not an issue and another bunch of users saw it as an opportunity to go off on their own and adopt an answer that eventually was bound to create controversy. Guess what Germany...you got what you wanted and you evidently don't like it. Maybe you should stop worrying about doing things whatever way you wish or leaving your mark on the database and simply look around. You would be amazed at how easy this database is if you simply pay attention and stop worrying about doing what you want to do. That's all probably clear as mud, but perhaps a few will understand it.

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Thank you - I had noticed that section but, because it states "Episode descriptors" I did not feel it was relevant to the title of a movie that did not have episodes.

That is why I think using "-" is not absolutely wrong. And that is about what we are discussing.

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I am one of the earliest German profiler users, over the years I have been part of several Intervocative/Invelos rule committees that helped shape the rules to their current form, and I have contributed countless profile updates since 2001. That only as a short reminder (since I'm not that active in this forum anymore as I used to be) - just in case anyone accuses me of disrespecting the rules for my following comments. 

First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community.

Secondly, as several other German users have pointed out, it is common in the German language to use the hyphen. It was decided in the German community to use this for the profiles, and this is what has been done for more than seven years - resulting in thousands of profiles with a hyphen. And this is what will be done in the future. Period.

I appreciate the opinions of the international users, but as has been explained to you: This is none of your concern.  Don't even dream about forcing us to a change here. And to those saying "Germany can't go off and do their own thing": Oh, yes, we can! We have done it in the past and we will continue to do so (especially in a case like this that is a) not clear in the rules and b) accepted by Ken and the screeners).

In contrast to this mad house here in the international forum, in the German Profiler community we have a majority of reasonable users who are able to discuss things in a civilized manner and make rational decisions. Using the hyphen for titles is one of those rational decisions that were made, and we will protect it by all means.

Any attempts to change the titles to use colons will be voted down - that is a fact. And if it is necessary that us old Profiler users like Tom, me and many others build a group and support each other in this, it is what will happen.

     

Well based on this I assume that other users will now not involve themselves in R! discussions,like i said they should have no inrterest for you.          Fat chance.

And Tigi, you need to stop inflaming the community by going off and doing whatever you want. And encouraging others, and telling a user that it is a LOCAL matter and not to bring it here is simply put unacceptable. Now I know that you like to sneak around and create problems for which we will all eventually have to pay the price. One wonders just how much damage has been done by the German Community...we will find out soon enough. How many other areas are you off doing your own thing.

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