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It's only serious cause you say it is.

Pst... You're not helping. Let him dig his own hole.

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As far as I'm concerned, proper linking is far, far more important than picking up minutiae of capitalization or punctuation.  YMMV.

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To you, yes, and I have acknowledged the same many times. But that does not apply to ALL of us. And linking is a local issue, unless Ken introduces  some sort of Cast/Crew filtering for the Online. So what makes what you want more important than what someone else wants. As I said when I laid out the Rule plan it was to serve everyone, not the few, not the majority, not even MOST...everybody.

As I have said numerous times IF we have ONE user who wants something and it can be accomodated witin the system in some way...as far as I am concerned he should be able to do it. I tease and make funof users who loan DVDs, I won't and never has and don't understand why I would, but some do, it means NOTHING to me, but it's there and I don't really mind, even though i think those people are crazy...but then God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.

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I keep forgetting the Rules here. if your name is Skip, you have to shut up, you are not allowed to speak and you must allow others to insult , belittle and demean you at will.  

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Quoting lyonsden5:

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Can we TRY to keep this thread about the rules as they are updated? 

guess not 

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Can we TRY to keep this thread about the rules as they are updated? 

guess not 

Are you surprise? Someone obviously try to get it lock...

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And if the CLT says Devito, Martian are you correct in just changing it, I don't think so.

This is where you lose me.  When we are talking about capitalisation, how you enter the name, determins what results you will get.

If I enter 'DANNY DEVITO' into the CLT, I get: "DANNY DEVITO" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  You will note that the name the CLT uses is in all caps.

If I enter 'danny devito', I get: "danny devito" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  You will note that the name the CLT uses is in all lower case.

If I enter 'DaNnY DeViTo', I get: "DaNnY DeViTo" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  Just like before, the name the CLT uses is the in the same format I entered.  The CLT does not, under normal circumstances, tell you the most commonly capitalised form.  To find that information, you have to look at each individual credit.  I don't know about you, but I am not going to wade through 1764 profiles.  I am sorry, but it isn't going to happen.

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Not without communicating to other users, we all have different priorities and that is why Communication in the notes is so important. I understand that I can now deal with this locally, but in order to be able to do so I need to know how the updates are going and I need better communication from the Contributing user so that i know what i need to address locally, IF I need to address it locally. In this particular case all that is needed  is TWO words As Credited, that tells me what I need to know, his change  when it gets to the update comes down as De Banzie, in which case even with his notes I would be stuck, his notes would then be indicating that De Banzie was As Credited which was not what he was intending...this may be a can of worms, the more I dig.

While I understand what you are saying, I doubt you were getting that information in the first place.  I know you weren't getting it from me, because I never used 'credited as' for capitalization issues.

Since I have to convert credits, that are in all caps, into mixed case, and I know that DEVITO = DeVito, I see no point in stating that the actual credit was DEVITO.  I am sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me so I am not going to do it.

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And if the CLT says Devito, Martian are you correct in just changing it, I don't think so.

This is where you lose me.  When we are talking about capitalisation, how you enter the name, determins what results you will get.

If I enter 'DANNY DEVITO' into the CLT, I get: "DANNY DEVITO" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  You will note that the name the CLT uses is in all caps.

If I enter 'danny devito', I get: "danny devito" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  You will note that the name the CLT uses is in all lower case.

If I enter 'DaNnY DeViTo', I get: "DaNnY DeViTo" is credited in the following 351 titles (1764 profiles).  Just like before, the name the CLT uses is the in the same format I entered.  The CLT does not, under normal circumstances, tell you the most commonly capitalised form.  To find that information, you have to look at each individual credit.  I don't know about you, but I am not going to wade through 1764 profiles.  I am sorry, but it isn't going to happen.

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Not without communicating to other users, we all have different priorities and that is why Communication in the notes is so important. I understand that I can now deal with this locally, but in order to be able to do so I need to know how the updates are going and I need better communication from the Contributing user so that i know what i need to address locally, IF I need to address it locally. In this particular case all that is needed  is TWO words As Credited, that tells me what I need to know, his change  when it gets to the update comes down as De Banzie, in which case even with his notes I would be stuck, his notes would then be indicating that De Banzie was As Credited which was not what he was intending...this may be a can of worms, the more I dig.

While I understand what you are saying, I doubt you were getting that information in the first place.  I know you weren't getting it from me, because I never used 'credited as' for capitalization issues.

Since I have to convert credits, that are in all caps, into mixed case, and I know that DEVITO = DeVito, I see no point in stating that the actual credit was DEVITO.  I am sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense to me so I am not going to do it.

I understand that, Martian. But I DO use it, I want the data as it is credited, which means if I see DANNY DEVITO and my list has Danny DeVito, I will enter Danny DeVito(Danny Devito), so that I can capture the data As Credited and I can appreciate what Ken has tried to do. But if he updates Danny DeVito to my As Credited Danny Devito that is incorrect data to me and my data has subsequently been corrupted. Now as I see it there are some possible fixes, none of which do I have any idea whether they may be in place or not, One is not to overwrite MY data, the second is user to user Communication in their notes, to me a preferable state of affairs, but highly unlikely unfortunately, because the sensitivity to user to user cooperation does not exist.. Quite the contrary, as repeatedly demonstrated by one user, who loves t say it is not required in the Rules, so even though, for example including DiscID data as discussed by myself and Pete, if it is not a requirement in the Rules to include that data in your notes, then as both Pete and I know,  despite the fact that it is useful information when it is included, people simply, by and large do it themselves because they don't HAVE to. It reminds me of the bad old days when users used to say "They are only Guidelines, we don't HAVE to follow them." In short, we aren't a TEAM.

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I want to know who the set decorator and casting director are for every film, but no one lists that for me. Why? Because it's not relevant to the main database!

I agree with you here.  As another example, I do not like my cast in alphabetical order, nor do I like it in order of appearance as either one can put a 'no name' actor at the top of the list.  I prefer my cast to be listed in opening credit order.  Should the people who contribute cast be required to list that order in their notes?  Should they be required to tell me whether the cast is in alphabetical order or order of appearance?  Of course not.  Since I am the one who wants to track my data differently, the onus is on me to do the work.  Just my opinion.

If that would be useful information for you, Martian, I would be only too happy to provide it and therin lies the difference. It's only a few strokes on the keyboard, and i am not lazy.

However, even so, Martian, that is a different issue from the issue at hand. You know that you have set your standard completely outside the rules. Thus you setup your list and lock it down. Here we are talking about A SINGLE name in a list. I cannot lock down a single name. If Ken's update says DeVito and my data says Devito and there is nothing from you the user in your notes to advise me, I can't tell if my data has gotten corrupted, or have I inadvertently entered a typo into my data...I can't tell and you aren't telling me anything, so while the data may be absolutely correct even to As Credited, right down the line, I will reject the data, when with a little user to user communication I might have sufficient information to accept or reject on more than a guess. If I accept the data and later find out that it corrupted my data, i would not be happy (with you), if I later found out that I rejected good data because my data was corrupted or a typo entered (I would be unhappy with both of us), me for making or allowing the data and you for my wishing you had provided  better notes.

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