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To you maybe it's not attack. I view it as demeaning choice of verbiage. A back-handed, using your words, term of affection meant to denigrate. A limey is a term of affection, Sam. BTW, Sam, the British are NOT a race, they are a nation of people, you have displayed disdain for Americans, yet I don't call you a racist or a bigot, both terms are wrong and insulting at best.

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Try saying that to a British person you don't know well to his face and see how fast you get your you know what kicked.

Try anytime, rom, anytime. You have already revealed yourself as a hypocrite. You worry me not at all, nor does your opinions since you have proven yourself by your selective attack. gee, maybe based on the free use around here of such insulting terms you are a bigot<gasp> Say it ain't so.  

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And as for the actual topic (very sorry MovieMan), I believe she should be added as cast for reasons mentioned by everyone but Skip.

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According to the Rules Voices that are separated from the Cast are not Cast. All you have to do is have the simple ability of reading comprehension, which is sorely lacking here.

I am sorry, but the rules say nothing of the kind.  The rules simply define standard credits, as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film, and then tell us what to do when the film has them...standard credits I mean.  Nowhere do they require voice credits to be part of that list in order to be considered cast...puppeteers, yes, voice credits, no.

The problem, and this is happening more an more lately, is that this situation is not listed under the 'non-standard credits' section.  In cases like this, I have begun to look towards the spirit of the rules and, based on the other 'non-standard credits' rules, I think this situation qualifies for entry.

And you are wrong, Martian. that is not. the spirit of the rules, as is clear from a COMPLETE reading of the Rule. And I am in a better place to be able to make that statement. It was YOU who came up with accommodation and I have always accepted that, as reasonable. But to try and create a new definition for non-standard that is outside of both the words and the spirit of the Rules is wrong. Divination doesn't work. I have decided that once the approval is given for the existing contribution, I will contribute based on the aforementioned accommodation and the fact that the Stunt personnel are clearly a part of this particular cast list and we will see, just exactly WHO follows the Rules and who ignores them. Wanna bet i can give the names of those who will ignore the Rules right now.

I will include for your benefit the two parts of the rules that are applicable, Martian.
"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film."

"If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:

    * If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
    * If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
    * If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

You have already noted, correctly, that stunts are part of THIS cast and THAT fits the definition of Standard credits. Dealing with Jenna on her own, there is nothing in the Rules that says we can do that, Standard Credits are both defined and then CLARIFIED as to what they are and dealing with Jenna on her own does not meet those parameters. The ONLY exception is that we can make PARTIAL contributions, but that does not allow for a COMPLETE, per these Rules, Contribution which would include the Stunt personnel.



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As I said, all those two parts do is define the term 'Standard Film Credits'.  They do not say anything about an actor having to be in that section in order to be considered cast.

As for it being in the spirit of the rule, all I have to do is look at the section for 'non-standard film credits', which allows actors to be considered cast when standard film credits aren't present, to tell me that it is.

I know I came up with the inclusion of stunt people in the cast list, but my opinion has evolved since then.

Hey Rom. Stop digging, you are only putting yourself in a bigger hole.

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I watch Stargate for a couple hours and it all goes to hell. Here's my take:

The rules don't address featured stunts as cast one way or the other. I'd say this is debatable, but would lean toward including them. We include uncredited people with no lines if they appear on screen and we can identify them. I don't see why being credited for a stunt would take their credit away. It doesn't make sense.

People who are credited as doing a specific voice are definitely part of the cast. This isn't like additional voices where they're looping background chatter to make a bar sound crowded.

A stunt coordinator, since they do not appear on-screen or on the audio track, is not a member of the cast.

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I'm still waiting for you to show me where I have shown disdain towards Americans???

In most of your comments aimed at me, sam. The disdain is all to obvious.

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Please, point a couple out.

I gather you couldn't find any petal?

I wish that everyone would just stop this. Please - enough is enough.

If you can not politely express yourself and stick to the topic then keep your opinions to yourself.

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