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No need to be offensive. The way I view your posts is some new guy that has come around and wants things done his way, without even trying to understand or even work with the way we have established things. You have now conformed this opinion with your attitude.

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Sugar:

You certainly are expert on being insulting, attacking and combative. 90% of the time you don't understand what I am saying and just attack and insult

BTW I did not call Michael a foul-mouthed name now did I.

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I still don't see anyone expalining where this information, the "real name" and "aliases" is going to come from. Are we supposed to swarm on "The Site that Cannot be Named" and copy all of their Actor's names and known aliases? Are we supposed to personally write the Actors/Actresses and Crew members and ask them what their full birth names are? Just how are we supposed to document all of this? Aren't we talking about a complete revamp of the database structure here? I don't think Ken is going to go for this. I don't think you can pay him enough to turn his program into a mini IMBd either.

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I agree here... where is this info coming from?  Every name will have to be documented.

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I still don't see anyone expalining where this information, the "real name" and "aliases" is going to come from. Are we supposed to swarm on "The Site that Cannot be Named" and copy all of their Actor's names and known aliases? Are we supposed to personally write the Actors/Actresses and Crew members and ask them what their full birth names are? Just how are we supposed to document all of this? Aren't we talking about a complete revamp of the database structure here? I don't think Ken is going to go for this. I don't think you can pay him enough to turn his program into a mini IMBd either.

When the primary key becomes unchangeable (and it currently isn't because the common name can change at any time when it's "credited as" weight changes), it's not as important what the primary name is. I can live with common name, because when it changes, it changes nothing else.

That's my main quarrel with the current system. Currently we have a lot of IMDb data in the system and thus the IMDb name is our current common name. Everyone who corrects credits is now entering

"Actor's IMDb name" played "Role X" and was credited as "Name in the Credits"

One day the balance will shift and the common name changes to "Name in the Credits" and the entire cast correction contribution game begins anew.

As for the birth year: We have an established system when we already need a birth year. And I didn't say that anyone should be forced to enter one, I just said, if he/she can document it, it should be allowed (see my John Smith example a few pages ago).

And no, I don't want a mini-IMDb, I don't care when an actor gave birth to her child or with whom he went to college together or who is whose godfather. But movies and actors I am interested in and at least that should work.

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I didn't agree on using real names, I can live with common names, just not as "key" but more as "display name"

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The point is the common name won't be that important anymore, it could change and still link all the roles together.
With the introduction of a unique, unchanging primary key for each individual - we can call them anything we like, even have different names in different databases, as long as the key remains the same they will still all link together.

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The point is the common name won't be that important anymore, it could change and still link all the roles together.
With the introduction of a unique, unchanging primary key for each individual - we can call them anything we like, even have different names in different databases, as long as the key remains the same they will still all link together.

I understand that...I'm not an idiot. What I want to know is what name will be "assigned" to the primary key and how is that determined? Karsten keeps saying it could be the common name. Fine. How can we determine the common name for this new primary key when the CLT is so screwed up and we can't even come to a general consensous on how to use the CLT, profiles vs. titles?