You are looking at a different set of CLT than I am then, Tm The correct CLT results have been reported, not what is imagined...REAL data, whether it is CORRECT or not we can't know beyond any particular UPC/EAN/Disc ID which has been verfied. All that can be said at this time is x copies have been verified, you are assuming that the rest are the same base upon this or these copies which have been verified, but you cannot factually claim that any copy that you do not own, cannot verify, and have not been re-verified, is either correct or incorrect, both are assumptions and are invalid; and therefore no conclusions should be drawn since you or I do not own ALL possibilities. And every time that you make a global change to something that you do not own you are making an assumption...some might call it a lie to do so, me; i just call it a very poor assumption based upon smoke and mirrors. I don't buy magic tricks.

The CLT results FACTUALLY stste which the Common name is and those results are FACTUALLY Kan = 6/18 "Kan" = 17/31, thus the coomon nameis "Kan". There is no provision in the Rules nor any statement made by ken which allows for anything other than FACTUAL CLT results not made up results, user-interpreted results, imagined results or hallucinated results, FATUAL results which are reported by the system.

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That is your interpreting iof what ken sqaid and my interpretation is that your is simply an interpretation and NOT a statement of fact, unless you are in reality Ken Cole. We know that the LT is not to be trusted, that does not give you licenese to do something different and feed your imagibnation or hallucinations whichever they are. He made a simple statement of fact, he did NOT add anything th that statement that tells you to invent data or if you are supposesd to invent data how to go about inventing it. This is why I say that you are not to be truisted, Tim you are very busy seeking ways to leave YOUR particular fingerprint on the database and creating bizzarre interpretations of the Rules and what Ken has said in order to do so. This is about your ego, Tim, did you forget that you actually bragged to me about your number of contributions, I was shocked when you did that but it told me far more about you than I wanted to know and confirmed some things which I was concerned about. This is also why you sometimes get shot at for padding your Contributions numbers. So, yes, Tim I do doubt your motives greatly, as I told you when bragged about your Contribution count, I could not tell you how many I have made, voted on  or even the number of psts I have made, that simply isn't important to me, and I wonder why it is to YOU. The only thing that I do track is size of my backup file....because it astounds me.

I know that i am very weary of watching your self-serving behavior, insulting remarks. and your willful and wanton destruction of the database. I noticed yesterday that after you threw the L word around yesterday, you got very disturbed when somebody applied it to you. I will continue to resist and fight you every step of the way, Tim, This is not about hate Tim as Viittra misunderstood, I don't hate you at all, if anything, I feel very sorry for you. I do not approve of your behavior and as you well know, I do pay careful attention to your Contributions and I am very happy when you supply enough that allows me to vote yes, but I will NOT vote YES to your presumptious global changes  tio titles which you do NOT possess and i will not vote Yes to your inadequately documented work, I wwill NOT accept anything from based only upon your say so, if you cannot provide the details of the "extensive research" which you keep CLAIMING to do, or at least provide the CLT results, I will grant you that Ken does not believe that you need to provide NameA+NameB support a lot of the time, but he has not said you do not have to provide CLT results...that is YOUR interpretation of what he said and I will NEVER support it. Nor do I support your creation of invented results for the CLT, that is user-inrterpretation and then some other user can create a different interpretation of the CLT results, the results are the results PERIOD, they are not subject to interpretation by you, Kluge or even me,  they are what they are. Once you inject user-interpretation...well that is subject based upon the user, but the ACTUAL results are based on user-input (which may be wrong we know that) but they are NOT based on user-interpretation and there is NO room for user-interpretation relative to the Online. You own behavior, alone, relative to the linking of names has convinced me thaty the linking of names needs to be a LOCAL ONLY option, because you have so polluted the system beyond where it started as to be neraly useless, it is not filled with factual data, it is filled with Tim's data and Tim's data is not factual; it is based on assumptions which are KNOWN to be incorrect, but Tim doesn't care about FACTS he only cares about his fiction and inflating his Contribution numbers. I am sorry Tim, I don't dislike you, I do distrust you and I do believe that you far more interested in your own ego than you are genuinely working towards a quality data product, if you weren't interested in you own ego, you would pay attention to me and the many other users who have lodged similar complaints against you and called upon you to stop and simply include your CLT results and the results of your EXTENSIVE research. I am sorry, Tim, that's how i see it, and you are wrong in my book.

This all very simple, yet you choose to not ot get it, instead you persist with comments such as the one above which clearly demonstrate that you don't get it.

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Quoting Kluge:

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Puppeteer Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi

Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 17 titles (31 profiles) but only variants of
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkey Bone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Seed of Chucky
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2
Spinnen des Todes: Creature Feature

And there aren't ambiguous credits.
The bolded are verified.
So the common name should be Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi, or am I wrong?

For what it is worth... I see you only have 2 movies verified as correct. So thought I would chime in and say I can confirm from the credits that...

Seed of Chucky is indeed Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi. At the very least for the R1 US copy.

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... and what about Hiroshi Ikeuchi?

He's listed as such in three titles: 'Zathura', 'Santa Clause 3' and 'The Green Mile'. With six titles the most-credited name variant, and thus the common name, still is Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi. Even if 'Spider-Man 2' would be taken out the equasion.

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So, while ninehours, and the other nine people who participated in that thread are using 'George D. Wallace' as their common name, the rest of us are using 'George Wallace'.

1] Don't presume you know what i am doing I am not using George D. as the common name, until it is proved what the actual common name is i stick with the CLT.

2] Please don't involve me in these pointless augments, if i have anything to say i am quite capable of saying it for myself.

I am not sure why you are getting so bent out of shape over this...it was just an example.  It could have been any name, but that thread was the first one I came to when I went looking for an example.  I know that you aren't using a common name as of yet, because you state as much in the thread so, again, I am not sure why you are getting upset over this. 

Edit: After re-reading my post, I guess I could have been more clear and used the phrase "let's assume".  Sorry for the confusion. 

I still think that if Ken wanted us to drill down and filter beyond the CLT results, he would have automated the CLT to do exactly that.

Yes, he said you can't take it blindly; that's what the common name threads are for---to sort out what's properly credited and what's not.  But I don't think he's saying that every time you have a disc with "George Wallace" in the cast you have to sort through the 669 George Wallace titles and figure out which ones are which and whether they refer to the same movie.  I think that he has to mean, assuming the credits are input correctly in the first place, that the title count should control.  Otherwise it's an absurd amount of work.  For Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi, it's not a big deal, but for George Wallace, John Hughes and others with several folks under the same name it is a huge amount of labor that no one other than a few will be willing to do.  It's a fact of life.

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As you don't say, I'm going to have to assume that they followed the rules & checked the credits for whichever title(s) they're submitting for. Therefore although they might use the other name as the common one for now, it will still improve the accuracy of the results.

But see, that is where I don't understand how things will get better.  I was under the impression that the goal was to link all the name variants with the same common name so that, when you click on any one of them in any profile, you get all their films in your collection.  If 9 people are using one common name, and 9 people are using a different one, how is that goal accomplished?

From my point of view, the only way to accomplish that goal is to have everybody use the exact same standard...the CLT results.  Now, I am open the possibility that I am looking at this completely arse backwards, and that is why I am asking these questions.  I really do want to understand the logic involved.

I did say that it wasn't a quick process & it will take some time.

Let's say for arguments sake that all the submitted changes were credited as Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi, no quotes around any part of the name. Regardless of whether or not you use credited as or not, they still add more figures towards giving an accurate number. It's not ideal but either variant is correct depending on your interpretation ok Ken's statement. Sooner or later, the names would get linked together under a single common name. Also, if a non-forum user was to submit a common name that was solely based on the info in the online, I've seen forum users point them to the relevant forum thread giving the correct info. So far, I've seen all of those contributions pulled & corrected or just not resubmitted. So on reflection, it isn't likely to be that big an issue except for lesser known titles & localities with fewer users.

Obviously if Ken wants to step in, I'll go with what he wants.

Let's go back and re-examine the data that we have with regards to the title/original title issue which is what the actual problem is here.

Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi is only credited as such in two separate films, AvP Requiem & Monkeybone. I don't think that anyone is disputing that. However there are people who want to count more than two titles because of incorrectly formatted data. If I were to go through and correct those entries we'd have the actual correct amount & no-one would question that he has two credits as "Kan". All we're doing is cutting out the middle step. Note, I'm not going to as I don't agree with submitting to profiles I don't own.

Martian and gard have it absolutely correct.        

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