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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Which is something I would be totally against. All submissions should be looked at and judged by the screeners.
And something you are not looking at. All that has to be programmed to be done. Which is what I was talking about not seeing invelos going through all that.
Especially when it is something that has such a clear and easy to follow rule now. I don't know why they would even want to replace such a clear and precise rule with something that is basically mob rule. I know I personally wouldn't do such a thing. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote: I agree with this. It should not be a problem using common sense. See what I did there. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote: No, that is not quite correct. You will first need a consensus to a proposal for a rule change (see the Contribution Rules Committee forum, second post from the top) . So the more people convinced the better. While that is the prefered method, that isn't the only way. If you can convince Ken, you don't need consensus. I know as I have done it. By the same token, even if you have consensus, if Ken doesn't agree, the rule won't be changed. Just ask surfeur. Most of us agreed with his stance regarding converting accented names, that were in all unaccented caps, into proper lower case form. Ken disagreed and we are where we are. Quote: No, the existing rules are not consistent. We fix some errors and collect others (see earlier in this thread). As has been explained, earlier in this thread, we only fix those errors where the data can be verified by checking the actual disc that came in the case. When it comes to overviews, that isn't possible so, while you may not agree, that seems quite consistent to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote: And yet again another conundrum.
For all the sticklers in here who say that it must be exactly what is on the case. Well a majority of my copies state "Colour" clearly on the back cover, yet I am forced to submit a mistake, "Color", to the database.
Since all these submissions of mine are obviously against the rules, should I fix this by asking Invelos to remove most of the profiles I have submitted? I assume you are talking about the color check box so I hope you were just being facetious as first, it is a check box not a text field where you enter data and, second, there is no rule that states the spelling of the word color must match exactly in order for you to check that box. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: Quoting force:
Quote: I agree with this. It should not be a problem using common sense.
See what I did there. Yes i did. Thanks. (That makes sense.) | | | Last edited: by No-way |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
For all the sticklers in here who say that it must be exactly what is on the case. Well a majority of my copies state "Colour" clearly on the back cover, yet I am forced to submit a mistake, "Color", to the database.
You're not forced to submit anything, strictly speaking. But language is not a database issue for the color field could be represented internally by a bit pattern for all we know. This is a job for the translation/localisation of the software. If there is no AU translation, maybe one for the UK will do? | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting superted: Quote: Should we write the exact text from the cover, even when there are obvious typing errors, or should these be corrected? Nice question! | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | Heh, I remember like a 100 page (or whatevs) thread with a ton of back and forth about a disc that had the WRONG overview on the back (printing error). Yep... you should submit the overview for a different disc to the online because that's exactly what's on the back. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I will never be convinced either. The rule is seven years old. It is not subject to the whim of the week. Common sense is not common to everyone. We are all different. The rules is. Deal with it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Also as martian noted this has been discussed with the involvement of invelos. Recussed and discussed some more. It is what it is it is for you to follow kit. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | This thread has become laughable. Every couple of months someone new dislikes a rule and wants to change it. Then you have the select few who have not gotten their way in the past, that agree with them, just to be an antagonist. Personally I think this rule is the only one that is clear cut as to what the database wants. Exactly what is on the cover. There are plenty of other rules that need more clarification than this one.
Just my view. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well said ateo. Most of the rules are actually very clear cut, One might have to be willing to understand the background. The prime driver for contribution purposes is always to try and define One common data entry that all users can follow without applyig anything othe than what is seen, user interpretations in whatever form should always be local. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | People are all too human and mistakes are made, sometimes deliberatelyUsers must understandth that from a main db viewpoint, the data is what it is, flaws and all. Not what someone thinks it is, wishes or wants it to be, it just is. The place for "corrections" is local unless you correcting an error accidentally entered by another user. Those of us that have been around remember the numerous contribution wars as users fought over all sorts of things, my summary is better than yours, or whatever. We had One title edited nearly a thousand times in 5 years, do the math, thats edited and reedited 4 times a week...One title, crazy. This is what happens when users can do what they wish. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: This thread has become laughable. Every couple of months someone new dislikes a rule and wants to change it. Then you have the select few who have not gotten their way in the past, that agree with them, just to be an antagonist. Personally I think this rule is the only one that is clear cut as to what the database wants. Exactly what is on the cover. There are plenty of other rules that need more clarification than this one.
Just my view. |
| Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mole: Quote: OK so that overview has a few missing spaces , but this one [5050582860122] changes the whole meaning of the sentence. Read the contribution notes, and look at the rear cover. It took a couple of tries (me, then Neil) to get it "correct" , i.e. changing "Vince and Gillian Lynne" to " ince and Gillian Lynne".
I can also have sympathy with Terry's point when he wanted to correct it to match the others in the DB, i.e. "Hal Prince and Gillian Lynne" (that submission was declined).
BTW, Jhon is a "valid" first name, as in Jhon Eduis Viáfara Mina, who plays football for Independiente Medellín in Columbia.
Now, just don't get me started on the consistent spelling mistake on most of my Region 1 discs....
...where it states Color........ "This is one of the times when we knowingly put crap into the database" I like that line in your contribution notes. I also think Terry should have been listened to, he has a very good and logical solution to this problem. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Force Please let it go. The rule is what it is and for good reason. The topic has been discussed, cussed, recussed and discussed with invelos participation. The rule has been in place for SEVEN years. We even have one user who never nisse a chance to whine about his ability to know what something really is, even though he has never worked on single film for any reason....but he knows. Understand what the rule is and why it is that way, so that data can beconsistently entered by all users in the same way. The British cannot be faulted because they dont know how to spell. Yet they persist in typing colour, license, etc. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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