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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I always thought the 4 film Favorites belonged in the edition field as well.
Just having the word collection doesn't automatically make it an edition.... and at the same time it doesn't automatically make it the title. As I have said from the start... it isn't an all or nothing answer. The answer is sometimes it will be part of the title and sometimes it will belong in the edition field.
You have to be able to distinguish the two.... sometimes this is an easy thing. Sometimes it is not and you need help... where looking elsewhere on the release (spine, credit block, back of the case, etc.) can be helpful on distinguishing what text on the front cover is the title and what text (if any) on the front cover is the edition. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | But it is an all or nothing answer, or at lease it should be.
For consistency's sake, 'Zombie Double Feature' should not be treated any differently than '4 Film Favorites' or 'Sci-Fi: Collector's Set: 4 Films' or 'Disaster: Collector's Set: 4 Films' or 'The Christopher Lee Collection' or any other releases that are similarly titled. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I seriously do not see a consistency thing when it comes to the title and the edition. The title is the title and the edition is the edition. Sometimes it will be one way and sometimes it will be another depending on the release and how the decide to do it. IMHO it has to be that it is one way sometimes and another way other times when it comes to this topic. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
But it is an all or nothing answer, or at lease it should be.
For consistency's sake, 'Zombie Double Feature' should not be treated any differently than '4 Film Favorites' or 'Sci-Fi: Collector's Set: 4 Films' or 'Disaster: Collector's Set: 4 Films' or 'The Christopher Lee Collection' or any other releases that are similarly titled. The owner of the program agrees with you: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
"Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for." The above quote was taken from another thread about film titles: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&messageID=2082773. Here is his entire post: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis. Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.
Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent. With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision. Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for. Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.
We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use. This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly. In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III. Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't know why you're throwing in 'The Criterion Collection' as we already established that I don't believe it to be an edition at all. However, since you did bring it up, from the Criterion website:
"Since 1984, the Criterion Collection, a continuing series of important classic and contemporary films..."
So, if they consider them to be a 'continuing series', why don't we? Oh, I know, because they have the word 'collection in their name. Not to mention, if we did admit that they were a series of releases, we would have to enter the title using that rule. Series, Collection. Potato, pototo. Which rule for series? Ken thinks it's an edition, so that's a settled issue. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As for what people recognized quite readily, how is that any different than my saying they didn't like the resulting title? At the core of both statements is the unmistakable fact that it was based 100% on personal choice. Or maybe they virtually all applied the edition rule exactly as Ken wrote it, recognizing editions as he defined them. That's not personal preference. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
How many did I contribute? Well, as I said earlier, I don't own any of them...which is why I don't really care whether or not they get changed. Unlike other users, I don't contribute or change titles I do not own. You own many other titles with editions that based on your position should also have had their titles changed to include the edition in the title. How many of those did you contribute? Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Suddenly, years later, they're wrong? No, as I said earlier, in my opinion, they were wrong the minute the rule was changed but, as far as I am concerned, that really doesn't matter. You believe they are correct, as is, so you will never believe they are wrong. ateo believes they are wrong and, unless I am misreading him, will never believe they are correct under the current rule. How long they have been done this way is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It is relevant as a reference to what both the contributors and the screeners have believed for years the correct title/edition to be. So the two of you believe they are wrong. I haven't seen anyone else take this position. Over the past seven years, I haven't seen anyone try to change the titles to reflect your position until this thread came up. I can only conclude that your view is a very tiny minority, thankfully. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You own many other titles with editions that based on your position should also have had their titles changed to include the edition in the title. How many of those did you contribute? Much like you don't contribute cast because you don't want to research every name, I don't contribute items that fall outside what the majority of users here seem to want. That doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion on the matter, only that I don't care enough to fight about contributions. Quote:
So the two of you believe they are wrong. I haven't seen anyone else take this position. Really? I count 3 others in this thread alone that believe the title of this set should be 'Zombie Double Feature'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | not gonna waste anymore time ! | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
not gonna waste anymore time Too bad. I like the middle school speech and debate contests. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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not gonna waste anymore time
Too bad. I like the middle school speech and debate contests. of this forum or tater salad |
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