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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting primetime21: Quote:
Also, what about shows like The Twilight Zone, which frequently used the same actor in the course of the series in different roles? I feel like those need to be counted individually and not just once due to the different seasons and roles. Please don't open another can of worms. This seems to be one of the things not doubted, how to count for the CLT... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
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... Adding an original title to these profiles (not changing anything, not taking away from anything, simply adding an original title) would help ease the pain of this stupid idiotic tool that we're forced to use to determine these "common names".
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So Buffy the Vampire Slayer IS the original title, and it IS different than the alternate title displayed on the cover... So... uhm... what are we arguing about here? Enter the original title of Buffy the Vampire Slayer into the original title field and let's just be done with it.
You missed the fact that the official CLT counting for TV shows is defined as one per season. This means, if the season indicator is left off the original title, the CLT is not correct.
But the rules are not clear and were not cleared up in the last six years - as Gerri promised - therefore this community won't solve this issue anyways. Where exactly is it officially stated that the CLT counting for TV shows is one per season? This is another thing that was never officially cleared up. Some people that do the common name threads wants to count it that way... but Invelos has never weighed in on it there is no official ruling. That is another thing that has been argued about for a very long time now. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
So I went back and read Gerri's post and she never actually tells us to include the season indicator in the Original Title field. She says it makes sense...she says she will add it to the list so the rule gets updates...but she never says that we need to do it.
Since she didn't tell us to do it, and it was never added to the rules, I honestly don't see how anybody can say we are supposed to be doing it. Who is Gerri? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting primetime21:
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Also, what about shows like The Twilight Zone, which frequently used the same actor in the course of the series in different roles? I feel like those need to be counted individually and not just once due to the different seasons and roles.
Please don't open another can of worms. This seems to be one of the things not doubted, how to count for the CLT... Where you been? This is something that has been argued about off and on for years too... And there is many that disagree with one credit per season... This thread alone shows we are not all on the same page. http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=453430 | | | | Pete |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | There you go, nothing is ever resolved. I really don't understand why Invelos doesn't just settle these ongoing debates. It's not like it would take endless hours - it's usually the same couple of things we're arguing over year after year after year. I remember we were once promised "a persistent, ongoing presence in these forums" - now, I fully understand that real life sometimes gets in the way, and I certainly don't expect Invelos to make this a full-time job, but why not occasionally take just fifteen minutes to settle a few of these recurring nightmares? It can't be that difficult, it can't be that time-consuming, so I remain baffled as to why that hardly doesn't ever happen. I love DVD Profiler, as it lets me track my collection the way I see fit. As long as you have no intention of contributing anything, it's brilliant! But as this is a user-built database, you would expect that some of these problems that the contributing users consistently bump into, would be settled. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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... Adding an original title to these profiles (not changing anything, not taking away from anything, simply adding an original title) would help ease the pain of this stupid idiotic tool that we're forced to use to determine these "common names".
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So Buffy the Vampire Slayer IS the original title, and it IS different than the alternate title displayed on the cover... So... uhm... what are we arguing about here? Enter the original title of Buffy the Vampire Slayer into the original title field and let's just be done with it.
You missed the fact that the official CLT counting for TV shows is defined as one per season. This means, if the season indicator is left off the original title, the CLT is not correct.
But the rules are not clear and were not cleared up in the last six years - as Gerri promised - therefore this community won't solve this issue anyways. Even without the season indicator, the clt stills recognizes the different produced year for each season and the count would be correct. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Where exactly is it officially stated that the CLT counting for TV shows is one per season? This is another thing that was never officially cleared up. Some people that do the common name threads wants to count it that way... but Invelos has never weighed in on it there is no official ruling. That is another thing that has been argued about for a very long time now. You found the thread. Why are you asking me? Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And there is many that disagree with one credit per season... This thread alone shows we are not all on the same page.
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=453430 The vote is clear and supported by the counting of the CLT tool - remember it counts each year as individual entry, which is (for counting purpose) equal to counting each season. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Even without the season indicator, the clt stills recognizes the different produced year for each season and the count would be correct. Yes, I'm aware of the year seperating different titles - and in this case different seasons - and therefore the wording ... the CLT is not correct is wrong. Sorry for that. I don't know how to express, but the correction through a mechanism which was developed for another issue (Remakes), seems to be not enough for me - it seems to be some kind of random - I like it thouroughly defined. The content should match the wording and this should express the intent in behind... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
There you go, nothing is ever resolved. I really don't understand why Invelos doesn't just settle these ongoing debates. It's not like it would take endless hours - it's usually the same couple of things we're arguing over year after year after year. I remember we were once promised "a persistent, ongoing presence in these forums" - now, I fully understand that real life sometimes gets in the way, and I certainly don't expect Invelos to make this a full-time job, but why not occasionally take just fifteen minutes to settle a few of these recurring nightmares? It can't be that difficult, it can't be that time-consuming, so I remain baffled as to why that hardly doesn't ever happen. I love DVD Profiler, as it lets me track my collection the way I see fit. As long as you have no intention of contributing anything, it's brilliant! But as this is a user-built database, you would expect that some of these problems that the contributing users consistently bump into, would be settled. And is there a carrot to get the Ken bunny out of its hole?  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
And is there a carrot to get the Ken bunny out of its hole? There is one: No more contributions. Not only one... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,634 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think anyone has mentioned it, but using season indicators in the original title field does break functionality; the IMDb lookup. This relies on the original title field containing nothing but the original title. Is this an important functionality? Probably not, since nobody has mentioned it yet. But the fact is that it is a built-in functionality, and using season indicators breaks that functionality.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I don't think anyone has mentioned it, but using season indicators in the original title field does break functionality; the IMDb lookup. This relies on the original title field containing nothing but the original title. Is this an important functionality? Probably not, since nobody has mentioned it yet. But the fact is that it is a built-in functionality, and using season indicators breaks that functionality.
Just saying ... I've found that to be pretty annoying, yes. If only we used the "Original Title" field for the show's original title... |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting AiAustria:
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And is there a carrot to get the Ken bunny out of its hole?
There is one:
No more contributions. Not only one... What would that change? The only one suffering would be the users, who would have to create more profiles on themselves. To sell the product - even I'm not sure this is a goal anymore - the current database is far enough... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Where exactly is it officially stated that the CLT counting for TV shows is one per season? This is another thing that was never officially cleared up. Some people that do the common name threads wants to count it that way... but Invelos has never weighed in on it there is no official ruling. That is another thing that has been argued about for a very long time now.
You found the thread. Why are you asking me?
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And there is many that disagree with one credit per season... This thread alone shows we are not all on the same page.
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=453430
The vote is clear and supported by the counting of the CLT tool - remember it counts each year as individual entry, which is (for counting purpose) equal to counting each season. LOL... you think that the poll makes it official? A poll by the users does not make anything official. All the poll does is tell Invelos how the user feels about the poll subject. It in no way makes anything official. The only thing to make it official is for Invelos to make a decision. And the counting of the CLT was not changed to match the poll. And once again with anthology discs the year doesn't always equal out to the year of the season. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
The only one suffering would be the users, who would have to create more profiles on themselves. We already have to create our profiles if we want them to use correctly the functions of the program (sorting, linking, filtering, linking...). Correcting existing ones takes much more time, and, in my case, I generally kept something wrong hidden at the end of the cast list... Quote:
the current database is far enough... Today... but what about a product in one year or so without titles as Spectre, Star Wars VII, Batman versus Superman and other Hunger Games 4 ? I really think that if Ken saw that his users are really unhappy and show it, he would, at least, think about it and see what to do... The problem comes from the few "very happy ones", that say they would like things change but do all they can to avoid any modification. In fact, seeing their collection explains most of their attitude (refusal to understand that the program is a nightmare to manage when you have non-English speaking titles). | | | | Images from movies |
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