Quoting FUBAR:

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Rifter,

How can you be so rabidly anti Democrat?  Why is it that everything is so black and white with you?  Aren't there any grey areas in your political outlook.  Extremism in any way is destructive.  And you are about as extreme as I have come across.  I have difficulty understanding your point of view as there seems to be so much hatred in so many of the things you write.

The Democratic Party isn't close to being what you make them out to be.  Ravings such as yours do nothing but alienate people as well as making many of them wary of the Republican Party.  I wish you and the other overly right Republicans would just calm down.

Exaggerating facts and putting a spin on what is reported never wins an argument.

My views are based on historic fact, and 50 years of observing American political machinations up close. I spend more time reading and studying about politics in one month than most people in this country spend in five years -- more than some in an entire lifetime!

I peruse numerous internet composite news sites daily (they compile stories from all over the world), a handful of foreign news outlets, etc.  I do not make up my mind until I get as much of the story as I can.  Now, being in another country, your news is often slanted quite differently than what it is here, so to you some things may appear quite benign, while to me knowing more of the backstory and history, it appears anything but benign.  US newspapers, with only a very few exceptions, gave up any pretense of reporting accurately, and so have the ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and CNN.  Even FoxNews has slipped noticeably in the last couple of years.

As for Democrats, I have no basic problems with them at the local level.  A lot of my friends are Democrats and some are in city and county government.  But at the state level, you can't trust them any farther than you fly by flapping your arms.  And 99% of those at the national level aren't worth the powder it would take to blow them to Hell! 

I am a strict constructionist when it comes to the Constitution, and the laws that are made based on that marvelous document.  What is happening now in this country is nothing short of a sell out to socialism, nanny state government, and corruption at the highest levels.  This isn't the America that I grew up in, that I was taught about in grade school, or that 200 years of American heroes died to protect, and I resent the hell out of all those who have made it the way it is today.

Just to show you I'm not the only one who feels that way, a friend of mine at work (who happens to be a highly decorated Vietnam vet, and a black man) got very upset over some of the stuff that he has seen in the papers and heard on TV from Obama and others.  He had some very unkind things to say about his fellow black citizens.  He said things I couldn't get away with saying without starting a race riot in fact.  So, from your perspective overseas, things may look all rosy and positive, but we're here at ground zero and the weather ain't so good.

(By the way, I had a brain fart when I looked at your flag icon and thought 'Iceland'.  I realize now that it is Canada, so disregard the overseas reference, though the non-US reference is OK.)

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Quoting FUBAR:

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Rifter,

How can you be so rabidly anti Democrat?  Why is it that everything is so black and white with you?  Aren't there any grey areas in your political outlook.  Extremism in any way is destructive.  And you are about as extreme as I have come across.  I have difficulty understanding your point of view as there seems to be so much hatred in so many of the things you write.

The Democratic Party isn't close to being what you make them out to be.  Ravings such as yours do nothing but alienate people as well as making many of them wary of the Republican Party.  I wish you and the other overly right Republicans would just calm down.

Exaggerating facts and putting a spin on what is reported never wins an argument.

My views are based on historic fact, and 50 years of observing American political machinations up close. I spend more time reading and studying about politics in one month than most people in this country spend in five years -- more than some in an entire lifetime!

I peruse numerous internet composite news sites daily (they compile stories from all over the world), a handful of foreign news outlets, etc.  I do not make up my mind until I get as much of the story as I can.  Now, being in another country, your news is often slanted quite differently than what it is here, so to you some things may appear quite benign, while to me knowing more of the backstory and history, it appears anything but benign.  US newspapers, with only a very few exceptions, gave up any pretense of reporting accurately, and so have the ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and CNN.  Even FoxNews has slipped noticeably in the last couple of years.

As for Democrats, I have no basic problems with them at the local level.  A lot of my friends are Democrats and some are in city and county government.  But at the state level, you can't trust them any farther than you fly by flapping your arms.  And 99% of those at the national level aren't worth the powder it would take to blow them to Hell! 

I am a strict constructionist when it comes to the Constitution, and the laws that are made based on that marvelous document.  What is happening now in this country is nothing short of a sell out to socialism, nanny state government, and corruption at the highest levels.  This isn't the America that I grew up in, that I was taught about in grade school, or that 200 years of American heroes died to protect, and I resent the hell out of all those who have made it the way it is today.

Just to show you I'm not the only one who feels that way, a friend of mine at work (who happens to be a highly decorated Vietnam vet, and a black man) got very upset over some of the stuff that he has seen in the papers and heard on TV from Obama and others.  He had some very unkind things to say about his fellow black citizens.  He said things I couldn't get away with saying without starting a race riot in fact.  So, from your perspective overseas, things may look all rosy and positive, but we're here at ground zero and the weather ain't so good.

(By the way, I had a brain fart when I looked at your flag icon and thought 'Iceland'.  I realize now that it is Canada, so disregard the overseas reference, though the non-US reference is OK.)

I wouldn't know where to begin , graham. the utter hypocrisy that is apparent in the Democratic Party is simply unbelievable. I will not however excuse the Rublicans for their sins.

Skip

To Skip,

There is both good and bad to each of the parties.  I tend to lean in the direction of the Democrats rather than the Republicans.  I'm just not extreme in my views.  Perhaps my leanings make me cringe a little when I hear the Republican rhetoric more than it should.  I do however try to understand other peoples' views.  Some of the things Rifter and some others say here are just repugnant to me in that it seems so close minded.  That is the part I just don't get.  How can one these days not see everyone's point of view.

I don't get it.

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Hi Unicus,

But where do you read the overly left statements?  Perhaps I am blind to it due to my liberal tendencies.

Where do we read the overtly left statements?  In virtually 90% of the national and local news media.  If you cannot see the left wing bias in the reportage, you are clearly looking at the world through left-leaning eyes.  If people didn't believe in the left-wing bias of the national media before, the reporting in the recent election up through (and including) the Inauguration should leave no doubts.  The media has gone so far into the tank for Obama that it isn't even hidden any more.

Graham:

Where would I begin. Teh democrats middle name si hypocrisy. For example, they claim to be the party which is color blind, and the party of the common joe. When in reality they are neither, in fact the most the wealthiest people in Congres are <gasp> Democrats. As for being color blind, HA, it was Democratic leaders that founded the KKK, it was Democrats who brough the US Jim Crowe laws, it was Democrats who both tried to block the entrance of blacks into schools and universities and refused to support the 1965 Civil Rights Act, led in no small measure by AL GORE, Sr.. It was Democrats who brought Welfare which in reality was nothing more than an Economic enSLAVEment system.

It is quite amusing that for well over 35 years Democrats have lloved referring to every Republican Presidential administration as an Imperial Presidency, this dates all the way back to the days of Richard Nixon.NEVER once did yhe Republicans make any serious suggestions about more terms or syggest the repeal of 22nd Amendment. The Democrats did seriously suggest that it would be good to have a third Clinton term, and here less than a week into the administration of our 44th persident we have a bill being prepared to repeal the 22nd Amendment. HYPOCRISY. Who wants an IMPERIAL Presidency.

Now to be fair it was a Republican, Phi Gramm, who sponsored the repeal of the Glass/Stiegel act, which was in no small measure responsible for the current economic problems being experienced and the bill ws not signed George Bush but by 42.

Skip

Ya know, if the Republicans won the election, then you would see all the same crap, ahem, stuff being posted from the Democrats.

Sore-looser syndrome. 

BTW for Ken, while I still find it to abusive to use the reputation system on a thread such as this. i think it saysd far more about the person who is throwing the votes than it does of the people willing engage in debate, whether you agree or not, and what it says is not very positive. Jack-booted thug comes to mind.
Yes, who ever you are I am laughing at YOU.

Skip

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And just for the record, while I am highly partisan by choice, I will also throw a Republican who does the sort of things the Democrats usually do to the wolves in a New York second.  To me, such a person is a traitor to the conservative ideals that made this country.

As with all things, there are exceptions.  I probably should have mentioned that in my post.