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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
The Secrets of Life feature on Disney's True-Life Adventures: Volume 4: Nature's Mysteries is full frame for the first 3 reels, and then blows out to cinemascope for the last reel. Obviously there is more than one mixed ratio film out there. Both "More American Graffiti" and "Brainstorm" used mixed aspect ratios. The first film that used mixed aspect ratios (I believe but, could be wrong) is the 1927 "Napoleon". | | | Are you local?
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
The first film that used mixed aspect ratios (I believe but, could be wrong) is the 1927 "Napoleon". Technically it only used the Academy ratio, but it used multiple screens to display a wider image. |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for refreshing my memory, fellas. I have most of those in my collection but for some reason I just wasn't recalling those other films.
Clearly the point is made that this is a needed function and so far, nobody disputes that. It also seems the bulk of you agree with my suggested program additions.
Seems to me it has been figured out and it's up to Ken to execute it. That is, unless there are other suggestions. | | | | Dan |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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While I can't remember any others that were intentionally released in a "mixed Format" than Batman
'Brother Bear' springs to mind (part 1.66:1, part 2.35:1). Other good examples would be 'The Horse Whisperer', or, more recently, 'Enchanted'.
Also Dünyayi kurtaran adam (aka Turkish Star Wars), but that was mostly because it pilfered footage directly from Lucas' movie.
Don't forget the 1927 Napoleon which used a triptych of screens during a number of sequences, and there was also Brainstorm in the 80s which used two aspect ratios.
And wasn't there a fantasy film which started in academy ratio then opened up to widescreen when a character walked through a door? Similar to the colour trick Wizard of Oz used... Don't forget Lowell Thomas narrating the opening of This is Cinerama with himself on screen at 1.33:1, then the dual curtains open to the Rollercoaster flight which is then 2.89:1 ... !!  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
You must be one of the few who missed out on all of the internet discussions (complaints is probably a more accurate term) on the T3 release to DVD.
The wide screen version of T3, released on dvd is NOT the same as you saw it in the theater. It was cropped for the DVD release. For one prime example, watch the scene at the beginning where he is sitting at the overpass drinking a bottle of beer. He tosses the empty bottle and it bounces off of the overpass and lands in the water.
At the theater, you saw the the bottle hit the overpass. On the DVD, it hits the bottom of the screen and you don't know what it hit until they "pan down" to reveal the overpass and then the water. There are plenty of other examples as well.
The original was not 2.40:1.
T3 was filmed in 185:1 (35mm) and was cropped differently for each of it's releases; 1) theatrical, 2) Widescreen DVD, 3) Fullscreen DVD. If you want a little voyeuristic fun, get the Foolscreen DVD and watch the scene where the female machine arrives in the "past" and walks across the street toward the camera. I've just watched the widescreen version again and have just ordered the full screen version so I can see the differences. (For purely scientific reasons of course..  ) Having watched the start, it is indeed very obvious that there is a problem with the cropping. I have looked for the blu ray version but it seems there is a problem with that as well (or may be the same as with the current widescreen). | | | | Paul |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
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You must be one of the few who missed out on all of the internet discussions (complaints is probably a more accurate term) on the T3 release to DVD.
The wide screen version of T3, released on dvd is NOT the same as you saw it in the theater. It was cropped for the DVD release. For one prime example, watch the scene at the beginning where he is sitting at the overpass drinking a bottle of beer. He tosses the empty bottle and it bounces off of the overpass and lands in the water.
At the theater, you saw the the bottle hit the overpass. On the DVD, it hits the bottom of the screen and you don't know what it hit until they "pan down" to reveal the overpass and then the water. There are plenty of other examples as well.
The original was not 2.40:1.
T3 was filmed in 185:1 (35mm) and was cropped differently for each of it's releases; 1) theatrical, 2) Widescreen DVD, 3) Fullscreen DVD. If you want a little voyeuristic fun, get the Foolscreen DVD and watch the scene where the female machine arrives in the "past" and walks across the street toward the camera.
I've just watched the widescreen version again and have just ordered the full screen version so I can see the differences. (For purely scientific reasons of course.. )
Having watched the start, it is indeed very obvious that there is a problem with the cropping.
I have looked for the blu ray version but it seems there is a problem with that as well (or may be the same as with the current widescreen). Enjoy your fullscreen version! To be honest, I feel that in many scenes, the fullscreen release is a better cropping of the film. BTW, you're right. The blu-ray release is the same as the widescreen release on standard DVD. I was disappointed. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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I didn't notice it in the theater, but it is very noticable on the Blu-ray.
Most theaters showed the 2.35:1 only version (the one which is on the DVD). So there is no aspect change on the DVD version? If that is the case, I am glad that I got the Blu-ray version. Some of those IMAX scenes are spectacular. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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I didn't notice it in the theater, but it is very noticable on the Blu-ray.
Most theaters showed the 2.35:1 only version (the one which is on the DVD).
So there is no aspect change on the DVD version? If that is the case, I am glad that I got the Blu-ray version. Some of those IMAX scenes are spectacular. This is inaccurate. The theatrical release was not 2.35/2.40:1. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
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This is inaccurate. The theatrical release was not 2.35/2.40:1. How do you mean? The cinema I saw it in certainly showed it at (approx) 2.40:1 and there was no change of ratio during the IMAX sequences. |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
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| | Posted: | | | | I believe what you saw in the theater was 2.20:1. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
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The wide screen version of T3, released on dvd is NOT the same as you saw it in the theater. It was cropped for the DVD release. For one prime example, watch the scene at the beginning where he is sitting at the overpass drinking a bottle of beer. He tosses the empty bottle and it bounces off of the overpass and lands in the water.
At the theater, you saw the the bottle hit the overpass. On the DVD, it hits the bottom of the screen and you don't know what it hit until they "pan down" to reveal the overpass and then the water. There are plenty of other examples as well.
I've just watched the widescreen version again and have just ordered the full screen version so I can see the differences. (For purely scientific reasons of course.. )
Having watched the start, it is indeed very obvious that there is a problem with the cropping.
I have looked for the blu ray version but it seems there is a problem with that as well (or may be the same as with the current widescreen). Enjoy your fullscreen version! To be honest, I feel that in many scenes, the fullscreen release is a better cropping of the film.
BTW, you're right. The blu-ray release is the same as the widescreen release on standard DVD. I was disappointed. there is a further problem with the blu ray - apparently it is 1080i except for the PIP version which is 1080P. And the sound not true HD.. Ripe for a re-release.. | | | | Paul |
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This is inaccurate. The theatrical release was not 2.35/2.40:1.
How do you mean? The cinema I saw it in certainly showed it at (approx) 2.40:1 and there was no change of ratio during the IMAX sequences. I did some further research and found that the IMAX sequences were, indeed, cropped down to 2.40:1 for the regular theatrical release. That would explain why I did not notice the change when I saw it in the theaters.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| | Posted: | | | | so what was the bottom line on this thread? I'm getting ready to submit a change for The Color Purple as the enhanced 16 x 9 widescreen is now at 1.78:1 but the TRUE aspect ratio for this 1985 film is only and always has been 1.66:1 .. this release image was 'blown up' to 1.78 . so it should be submitted as theatrical or improvised DVD release?? NOW keep in mind, before you say, the image on this dvd thru HDMI is full blown 1.78,, but if you can get the image to bypass all this and just go thru coaxial cable to channel 3 it will be 1.66 ....  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| | Posted: | | | | I believe the bottom line is that the rules specify that pan & scan and full frame are for use on 4x3 DVDs only. So until there's a program and rule change we can't record this info for widescreen releases. |
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