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Or we could look at the fact that they are almost always listed in the crew section of the credits of most movies.  That tells me that the filmmakers consider them to be part of the crew regardless of their union affiliations.

The reason ADR performers are listed later in credit listings has more to do with their status and less to do with whether they're crew or not. Refer to my earlier posts in this thread for more on this.

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You are simply saying IF Ken decides to track them that, in your opinion, it should be as cast instead of crew.

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I really don't like the idea of going into that much detail.
If we start including all those performers, people will start to argue that the crew should be added in the same kind of detail. Eventually we're going to end up with typing the whole lot in - no one left out. 

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It seems to me that if someone is listed in the credits with the rolename of a character that appeared in the film, that they are part of the cast.  If, instead of a rolename, they are listed with a function, such as ADR Voice, then they are part of the crew.

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It seems to me that if someone is listed in the credits with the rolename of a character that appeared in the film, that they are part of the cast.  If, instead of a rolename, they are listed with a function, such as ADR Voice, then they are part of the crew.

Just out of curiosity: would "additional voices" qualify as a rolename for you? Or is that a function too? How about the "special vocal effects by" credit I mentioned earlier?

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It seems to me that if someone is listed in the credits with the rolename of a character that appeared in the film, that they are part of the cast.  If, instead of a rolename, they are listed with a function, such as ADR Voice, then they are part of the crew.

Just out of curiosity: would "additional voices" qualify as a rolename for you? Or is that a function too? How about the "special vocal effects by" credit I mentioned earlier?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

I have spent some time looking at the role and definition of ADR, and in most cases it is described as a dubbing/looping exercise produced by a sound departement post filming.
Therefore I would vote for these to be crew.

However, personally I would prefer them to not be entered into profiler, at the moment their entry is skating close to breaking the rules, and I believe the addition of them if deemed acceptable into either cast or crew should only come after a change in the rules or a declaration from Ken/Gerri.