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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: I'm afraid it does. While she worded it badly, it was fairly clear what she meant. Any credit that starts, "Based on," will result in one of three options:
Original Material By Original Characters By No Entry
It really is that simple. Based on Characters Created By...Martian. That does not hold water and all you need is ONE to blow up a theory. the theory at that point is disproven.
Skip I guess you missed my second bullet point...Original Characters by. The credit of 'Based on Characters Created By' would be entered under that Profiler credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Fair enough, I did leave out the OCB since that is also fairly obvious. Sorry. We'll rephrase, using an example - Wanted. If the screen credit for Wanted read something like the following:
Based on characters created by Mark Millar and J. G. Jones
Then the obvious choice is OCB. OCB is, quite obviously by its name, for the creators of the characters. It is a very specific credit.
However, since the actual credit reads something like the following:
Based on the comic created by Mark Millar and J. G. Jones
Then the choice is OMB. Based on X created by Y. OMB is a much more general credit, encompassing anything which isn't original characters.
Better? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: Better? Makes sense to me & is quite logical. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: Makes sense to me & is quite logical. Why use logic when we have the rules? |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I do not understand why this is so difficult.
Who wrote the screenplay for this movie in question. This person or people are the only ones that get a screenwriter credit. They took another medium or idea and wrote what was portrayed for the screen. It really doesn't matter what that other medium was. It could be a book, graphic novel, a poem, an opera or a note passed between girls in high school physics class. Whatever it was, it was not written for another film, even one in previous years.
Since it is concerning "based on screenplay...". that screenplay would be a different medium. That screenplay is not the screenplay for this movie, it was a previous movie.
I do understand the argument, that since it was a screenplay, then that is not a different medium, it is the same medium. If this argument is to hold water, then this credit would never see the online in any form. That to me seems a bit obtuse, and not a valid argument.
The use of the word medium, probably needs to be changed. Maybe to say "another work", but I think the letter of the intent is there.
I do not think it is any harder than that.
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
Quote: Makes sense to me & is quite logical.
Why use logic when we have the rules? Simply put, most users who have voiced an opinion are doing it this way anyway as crediting someone for the screenplay of a film when they didn't do it for THIS version is plain crazy. |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: Today's audit brings me this crediting.
All on the same frame, same size fonts:
"Written by X and Y
Adapted for the Screen by Z"
Current profile has X and Y with "written by" and Z with 'screenplay". Does everyone agree with current credits, or should adapted by be another or local credit? If we back to the original OP. My questions are; What did "X" and "Y" do? What did "Z" do? How should they be credited? My thought - "X" and "Y" wrote the story and "Z" wrote the screenplay. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: Better? Completely understood you the first time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Simply put, most users who have voiced an opinion are doing it this way anyway as crediting someone for the screenplay of a film when they didn't do it for THIS version is plain crazy. So you're one of those users who would rather have sensible procedures for the selfish benefit of you and other users rather than arbitrary standards so we can separate the winners from the losers by memorizing arcana? How quaint. |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | So you're one who wants to credit someone with a role they weren't involved in? How weird!
Edit: Just to highlight what I said earlier - I don't enter crew but if I were, I would want them to be accurately entered with what they actually did. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
My thought - "X" and "Y" wrote the story and "Z" wrote the screenplay. As explained earlier, the "Written By" credit means that "X" and "Y" wrote both the story and the screenplay, so "Z" would not get a "Screenwriter" credit. | | | Hal |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: So you're one who wants to credit someone with a role they weren't involved in? How weird!
Edit: Just to highlight what I said earlier - I don't enter crew but if I were, I would want them to be accurately entered with what they actually did. No mate, I'm taking the piss. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: Fair enough, I did leave out the OCB since that is also fairly obvious. Sorry. We'll rephrase, using an example - Wanted. If the screen credit for Wanted read something like the following:
Based on characters created by Mark Millar and J. G. Jones
Then the obvious choice is OCB. OCB is, quite obviously by its name, for the creators of the characters. It is a very specific credit.
However, since the actual credit reads something like the following:
Based on the comic created by Mark Millar and J. G. Jones
Then the choice is OMB. Based on X created by Y. OMB is a much more general credit, encompassing anything which isn't original characters.
Better? No, not better. You have now created an exception to your idea.., whicj previously suggested that Based on anything should beOMB. This completely invalidates the ide and only serves to further confuse, when is based on not OMB. The opposite of when is a screenplay not a screenplay. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: Quoting Danae Cassandra:
Quote: Better?
Makes sense to me & is quite logical. Nothing logical at all. A nice attempt as I said, but not logical. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
Quote: Today's audit brings me this crediting.
All on the same frame, same size fonts:
"Written by X and Y
Adapted for the Screen by Z"
Current profile has X and Y with "written by" and Z with 'screenplay". Does everyone agree with current credits, or should adapted by be another or local credit?
If we back to the original OP.
My questions are;
What did "X" and "Y" do? What did "Z" do?
How should they be credited?
My thought - "X" and "Y" wrote the story and "Z" wrote the screenplay. This were also my thoughts with just what's in the credits. And even, if ... Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
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My thought - "X" and "Y" wrote the story and "Z" wrote the screenplay.
As explained earlier, the "Written By" credit means that "X" and "Y" wrote both the story and the screenplay, so "Z" would not get a "Screenwriter" credit. ... "X" and "Y" wrote both: Story and Screenplay. The credit chart is clear to track "Written by" as "Writer". I think the "Adapted for screen by" credit is still discussable, but according to this: Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: ... From the Writers Guild screen credit policy:
Quote: 10. "Adaptation by"
This credit is appropriate in certain unusual cases where a writer shapes the direction of screenplay construction without qualifying for "Screenplay by" credit. In those special cases, and only as a result of arbitration, the "Adaptation by" credit may be used.
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... I would leave it out. |
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