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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As has been explained, earlier in this thread, we only fix those errors where the data can be verified by checking the actual disc that came in the case. When it comes to overviews, that isn't possible so, while you may not agree, that seems quite consistent to me. Spelling errors can also easily be verified by checking a dictionary. If it is that important to collect data from the cover exactly as it is, errors in subtitles, audio tracks, running time etc. etc. should also be collected exactly as it is on the cover. That will make it consistent. | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You are just flat wrong period and you show no comprehension of the rules at all. I suggest that you memorize them, especially the part in the first sections that tells us what to use as a data source. Then realize that there is only One place for data in overview, the back cover,not your imagination. I am glad you have mystical abilities that provides you with vast knowledge beyond what the data us, bit that vast storehouse of knowledge belongs only in your local. PERIOD. Give it up, you are demonstrating. That you know how to spell but know absolutely nothing about data, database design or administration. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Geez. Come down. It's just a little silly rule we are talking about. It's not like I'm trying to steal your car or something. Now you are just acting like a grumpy old man. I think people are allowed to discuss rules in here without being accused for things that are not true. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I can only respond to what I see, force. You are acting like some other users, while showing no understanding about the bigger issues as they pertain to the online database, nor do you care,you want it YOUR way, this isnt burger king. This has been explained, repeatedly and simply for you and you persist. The place for the data to be the way you think it should be or the way you wish it is your local NOT the online ever. This was not done lightly or with no understanding of the issues you bring up and get brought up every few months. It is what it is and for good reason the stories I could tell you of the last 12 years would curl your hair. The online cannot be and will never again be a free for all where users can manipulate the online for their own purposes leaving product which might work for One but is worthless to others. You have the ability to structure and. Manage your data as you choose but that cannot be true of the online which is used by ALL users, not just you, therefore data entry has to be bases on real data not someONE's imagined or wished data, that is local. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 681 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
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As has been explained, earlier in this thread, we only fix those errors where the data can be verified by checking the actual disc that came in the case. When it comes to overviews, that isn't possible so, while you may not agree, that seems quite consistent to me.
Spelling errors can also easily be verified by checking a dictionary. If it is that important to collect data from the cover exactly as it is, errors in subtitles, audio tracks, running time etc. etc. should also be collected exactly as it is on the cover. That will make it consistent. No, that would not be consistent. The correct "subtitles, audio tracks, running time etc. etc." come from the disc. The disc provides the information that we enter to the online profile for those fields. If the cover has errors regarding those fields, it has no significance as that is not the source to be used to begin with. Your comparison between those and overview is therefore not relevant. Also to me, personally, this is mainly a collection software, where we enter information persistent to the release. Overview is part of this release specific information and it is what it is for each release, regardless of its possible errors in grammar or typos. That said, it would perhaps be a good addition to have a new contributable field called e.g. "synopsis / plotline / edited overview" where people could enter their "corrected" versions of overview if they so wished - and then they could select to see only that in the program and reports instead of the actual overview printed on back cover. | | | Mika I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) | | | Last edited: by Draxen |
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | If something is brought up every few months, there must be a reason for that. Something that is not right as it is. Something wrong or something that could have been made better. If a rule was right and logical in the first place, the discussion would have died out in the first page or two, and brought up much more seldom. Obviously I am not alone to feel it this way. I'm not talking about a "free for all to manipulate the online". People in here should learn to work together and make compromises for everybody's best. Many of the rules could have been better and more logical for more people if we all were willing to learn and listen to each other and try to make compromises. Instead of saying: "What we have now is what we have had for 100 years and we don't want to change that and we don't want to listen to anyone, because we are so used to it the way it is now." Now, is that the spirit for making progress? I wonder how the world would have looked like, if everybody was thinking like that. Remember that the database is for ALL users, not just for you. So we should all try to make it the best and most logical we can for ALL users. And that involves a continuing process where we all are trying to make things better for everyone. | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I am concerned you have no room to talk. You are doing the same that your are accusing us to do. There is 2 camps here... one that agrees with the rules as they are now and one that don't.
So even if by chance Ken & Gerri decided to change this rule (which I highly doubt will happen)... then we will still have the same thing happening every so often with people that agree with the other side of the issue. Feeling this is a collection software first and foremost and the errors on the back cover belongs in the overview field.
You are not trying to make it better for everyone. You are trying to get it the way you like it. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
That said, it would perhaps be a good addition to have a new contributable field called e.g. "synopsis / plotline / edited overview" where people could enter their "corrected" versions of overview if they so wished - and then they could select to see only that in the program and reports instead of the actual overview printed on back cover. That is exactly what I mean. Try to make solutions instead of conflicts (and instead of just saying "what we have is what we have....."). I think the idea of two overview fields is great. We could maybe call them. "Exact overview" and "Corrected overview". |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | We are not talking a rules change here... we are talking a feature request.
Just so you know... if you request this in the feature request forum... and get the support needed for it... it can still take a very long time to get.
There was a couple things that I was requesting for years (3+ years)... over multiple updates... that was just finally added in this latest update. And I had plenty of support for them. So like everything else here in Invelos land... it can take a very long time for it to see the light of day. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote: If something is brought up every few months, there must be a reason for that. Something that is not right as it is. Something wrong or something that could have been made better. If a rule was right and logical in the first place, the discussion would have died out in the first page or two, and brought up much more seldom. Obviously I am not alone to feel it this way. I'm not talking about a "free for all to manipulate the online".
People in here should learn o work together and make compromises for everybody's best. Many of the rules could have been better and more logical for more people if we all were willing to learn and listen to each other and try to make compromises. Instead of saying: "What we have now is what we have had for 100 years and we don't want to change that and we don't want to listen to anyone, because we are so used to it the way it is now." Now, is that the spirit for making progress? I wonder how the world would have looked like, if everybody was thinking like that. Remember that the database is for ALL users, not just for you. So we should all try to make it the best and most logical we can for ALL users. And that involves a continuing process where we all are trying to make things better for everyone. I have a One word description for this but I wont say it. I can only repeat what I have already said. You obviously have no comprehension of database design or administration nor do you care. You simply want it your way, this is not burger king. The place to have it your WU is locally not online. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote: People in here should learn to work together and make compromises for everybody's best. Many of the rules could have been better and more logical for more people if we all were willing to learn and listen to each other and try to make compromises. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You are not trying to make it better for everyone. You are trying to get it the way you like it. So you mean I should try to get it the way you like? Of course I am trying to get it closer to what I want. But that does not mean that I can't try to make a solution that you (or someone else) also will like. So I'm not trying to make it better for everyone? Well, see my previous post. Quote: We are not talking a rules change here... we are talking a feature request. So what. It was brought up her and I think it is great. I doesn't matter to me if it is a rules change or a program change as long as it will make more people happy. Quote: Just so you know... if you request this in the feature request forum... and get the support needed for it... it can still take a very long time to get.
There was a couple things that I was requesting for years (3+ years)... over multiple updates... that was just finally added in this latest update. And I had plenty of support for them. So like everything else here in Invelos land... it can take a very long time for it to see the light of day. What are you saying? We should not try to request it because it might take long time? Sorry, if I'm reading this wrong. Actually I hope I am wrong. | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Force As pete suggested see the feature request Fórum. And while your at it why not suggest a user written overview that way we can return to the good old days of weekly updates as you argue with other users that YOUR overview is clearly superior to anything anyone else could di. If you doubt it would happen you havent been here long enough.
I also agree with pete that you have no interest in what is good everyone, you cant ase that big picture. You simply want it your way. To hell with anything elsr | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ete was doing is all pete was doing was telling you that even If, it will not happen soon. I am still waiting for features requested 8 years ago. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not interested in a user written overview. You can suggest that yourself if you want that.
Btw. Maybe Draxen wants to suggest his idea about two overviews himself? | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Lets also remember that if we are going to go.the way of a corrected overview, then we also have to have a parallel cast and crew dataset so that Yves can exercise his all knowing abilities regarding the correct handling of names. Sounds like triple the work online for little return. Just manage your local data as you wish as intended and stop, please trying to twist the online data into a nightmarish pretzel. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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