Why would it be first?

Seems liike we're running round in circles. I agree that the rule isn't as "clear" as it could be but I think Skip has (in his own way) given the answer to the question raised by the OP. If that isn't clear enough, well then I guess it will never be clear. Maybe it is the sender of the message that gets in the way of the message, I don't know.

As to why the rule is written like it is without regard to credit order is another question but not really relevant to the contribution process right now. If the rule tells us to enter the theatrcial release company first, that's what we have to do. If someone wants it to change, or rewrite the rule, this is not the best place to discuss it. This forum is meant to answer questions about the contribution process, it is not a place to challenge every rule because then these questions willl never be resolved.

Kino
Well said. A lot of this nonsense I think does stem from users simply wanting to rule bitch. They don't want to hear the correct answer, they want the answer they want to hear. Look at double's question, for example, sorry double. He asked WHY, that is simple, because itys to do it a particular way. I hope I was able to explain the reason it is that way. All he can do is complain, it won't change the rule or the reason for it. All I can do is provide the answer and try to explain the reason.

I hear you, buddy.

Quoting T!M:

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So... If the consensus is that "Yes, WB qualifies too, and it should be listed FIRST, before Orion", then I'm perfectly happy with that. I would want to put that consensus to use by submitting corrections to a few of my profiles, but the problem when I'm referring to this thread is that the poll results on the top of the page don't reflect the general consensus that seems to arise from the actual posts...

It might be useful to post a new poll using the corrected language to see if your conclusion is accurate.

I believe T!m is asking for a consensus about the rule.  While you maintain it is clear, it's obvious others aren't so clear according to the poll results.  Please let me know if I am wrong T!M, but I assume you were asking for a consensus on the interpretation of the rules, not for a rule change.


Quoting Winston Smith:

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Why first, because the rule says that is where it goes, that simple. Why does the rule state that simple ...data consistency. We do not have a field marked theatrical release studio the rule tells us that when there is one it will be there. Perhaps this thread will get us marked field but that doesn't help today.

Again you state the rule this and the rule that but you don't talk about the specif rule or wording, which is confusing because people have to assume exactly what you are talking about


Quoting Winston Smith:

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It would be very nice if you would stop shooting at the messenger.

I think they are shooting the messenger' not for the message but how the message is being delivered.  If the postman deliverd a huge bill to me I certainly wouldnt fault him for it, but if he kicked down my door, grabbed me by my lapels shook me about then threw me down and tossed me the bill tehn yes, I'd be upset with him.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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This is not the place to debate the viability of a rule, that's another forum. This is the place to ask a question and get an answer and ill provide as much explanation as I can. If you don't like the rule, I can't change that and neither can you.

Who are you again exactly?  Just another member, no more and no less.  I believe T!m is asking for a consensus about the rule.  While you maintain it is clear, it's obvious others aren't so clear according to the poll results.


Quoting Winston Smith:

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In this case the best answer is another program update, I might modify the rule if I could, but I would NOT change anything that would make any change in ordering the data for the reason I explained. Just like a new field  will not change the ordering in this case it would just be program defined field instead of one defined by rule. I hope this helps.

Does it help?  Not really, all you did was state your opinion without expanding why.  It seems you expect others just to go along with whatever you say.  If you took a bit of time and spoke why you feel the way you do you may actually help others.  You claim to be an expert on the rules, if this is the case why not use your expertise to help explain it to them?


I see that there is a new thread about this, I'll post my thoughts about it in the appropriate thread.  But I have no issues with the sends of a possible rule change/addition in this forum.  I think the actual genesis of all the rule changes probably originated in this forum.

My question of why WB should be listed first was just that, a question.  That no one really addressed except for saying that is just how it's done.  I assume it's because the rules states

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Studios
List the Studios in the following priority.

Theatrical Release Studio(s)
Production Company(s)

I assume everyone that says it is obvious says because WB released the film that they are in fact the Theatrical Release Studio, which is understandable.  But what exactly is Orion then?  Do you consider them a Studio or Production Company?  If you consider them a production company then yes, it would be obvious that they would be second behind WB.  At first glance I thought of Orion as a studio, but after looking at it more closely they are in fact a production company and therefore should be listed behind WB, according to the rules.  With that being said it makes more sense to me for Orion to get top billing, as they were the ones that produced and received recognition for the films.

I think the problem is that people just state that that is the rules instead of actually explaining it to people that are misunderstanding the rules or interpreting them incorrectly.

Skip kept saying they were clear, but they weren't to many, including myself.  Spikey post was great, while it may be obvious to you (and possible should be to others) we are all human and often read things differently.  If he would have stated that WB is the studio and Orion is actually considered a production company than I think this discussion would have stayed on topic, been shorter and certainly less contentious.  I was wrong in my initial understanding of the rules, I can freely admit that now, but at no point did anyone clearly define the rules and help me understand where I went off track.  Obviously many others were confused as well.

Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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Why would it be first?

Because it was the studio that released it to the theaters..."Theatrical Release Studio."

Please understand, I don't necessarily agree with this rule as the only reason it is included is because it is a studio, but it is what it is.

Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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With that being said it makes more sense to me for Orion to get top billing, as they were the ones that produced and received recognition for the films.

It makes more sense to me as well...in fact, in my opinion, the best rule would be to just enter the studios in the order credited.