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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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However, we now know that the Social Security system which he created was full of unintended consequences which his party has manipulated to great negative effect over the years, with the end result being the situation that richie has described so eloquently.


I don't think you read Rich's post right. He is praising having a social security system - something you seem to be very much against.
However if, as Cliff says, this post does contain insults that have gone completely over my head, then maybe we should just call it a day.
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If he does not think that referring to the Democratic Party at the "Democrat" Party is insulting, than he is far less informed than he purports. It is an insult, started by neocon pundits, which has infected the worst aspect of the Republican Pary. These posts are insulting to all Democrats (members and supporters of the Democratic Party) and particularly to me.


I will admit that I did not know it was an insult.  I figured it was just another 'Skipo'.  Would you be so kind, in PMs if you like, as to explain to me how dropping the 'ic' is insulting?

For the record, I am registered as 'non-partisan' because I prefer to vote the issues and not the party.
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I don't think you read Rich's post right. He is praising having a social security system - something you seem to be very much against.


I don't want to speak for Skip, but social security as a concept isn't the problem, it is our social security system that is a mess.
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A simple Google of "Democrat Party" reveals:

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Democrat Party is a political epithet used in the United States by some conservative commentators and by some members of the Republican Party in speeches and press releases instead of the name (or more precisely, the proper noun) Democratic Party.

Many members of the Democratic Party object to the term. New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote: "There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. 'Democrat Party' is a slur, or intended to be - a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but 'Democrat Party' is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams 'rat.'"

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"Democrat Party" has been used from time to time by opponents of the Democratic Party and sometimes by others. The earliest known use of the term, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, was by a London stock-market analyst, who wrote in 1890, "Whether a little farmer from South Carolina named Tillman is going to rule the Democrat Party in America - yet it is this, and not output, on which the proximate value of silver depends." The term was used by Herbert Hoover in 1932, and in the late 1930s by Republicans who used it to criticize Democratic big city machines run by powerful political bosses in what they considered undemocratic fashion. Republican leader Harold Stassen said in 1940, "I emphasized that the party controlled in large measure at that time by Hague in New Jersey, Pendergast in Missouri and Kelly-Nash in Chicago should not be called a 'Democratic Party.' It should be called the 'Democrat Party.'"

The noun-as-adjective has been used by Republican leaders since the 1940s and appears in some GOP national platforms since 1948. In 1947, Republican leader Senator Robert A. Taft said, "Nor can we expect any other policy from any Democrat Party or any Democrat President under present day conditions. They can not possibly win an election solely through the support of the solid South, and yet their political strategists believe the Southern Democrat Party will not break away no matter how radical the allies imposed upon it." President Dwight D. Eisenhower used the term in his acceptance speech in 1952 and in partisan speeches to Republican groups. Ruth Walker notes how Joseph McCarthy repeatedly used the phrase "the Democrat Party," and critics argue that if McCarthy used the term in the 1950s, then no one else should do so.

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The Republican Party Web site makes extensive use of the term, although "Democratic Party" is used more often. The White House since 2001 has often used the noun-as-adjective when referring to the opposition party, and President Bush has used it almost exclusively. Likewise, it is in common use by former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, House Minority Leader John Boehner, Senator Charles Grassley, Congressman Steve Buyer, and others. George W. Bush spoke of the "Democrat majority" in his 2007 State of the Union Address. The advance copy that was given to members of Congress read "Democratic majority." Bush joked about his leadership of the "Republic Party" the following month.

If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

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A simple Google of "Democrat Party" reveals:


Thanks.  I don't know why I didn't think about looking it up. 
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A simple Google of "Democrat Party" reveals:


Thanks.  I don't know why I didn't think about looking it up. 


That's okay. I enjoyed looking it up, and learning a bit more of the history of the epithet. 
If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

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As soon as something is said to be related to communism or terrorism (because they are also related, I don't know why but that does not matter as long as I say they are related)


That's probably because of the "ism" at he end (and I am in no way on the left side of the political spectrum personally, but the way the arguments tend to currently are just ridiculous.)
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Don't get me started, I don't want to discuss politics. And this is not the place, here I try to have fun whenever I can and decompress.It consumes much of my life especially now during the silly season.


FULL ACK, this is not the place here! But somebody has to "pull the emergency brake" and stop this useless discussion before it escalates. IMHO Ken should use his option to close threads.

Political discussions should be banned from the forums by adjusting the forum rules!

SCNR!



Well, I don't think so. Just because we share the hobby of collectiong DVDs, that does not necessarily mean to leave all non DVD related trains of thought outside these forums. And frankly, what better people to engage in a discussion with than those you share some common ground with?
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Unicus:

I am no longer going to discuss this or any issue relating to it until we have some adults on hand. It seems that despite the just expressing my opinions there are those who who are happily trying to shut me up with their negative votes relating to my comments and i am sure the children will also attack this one, and this ONE is the only one they could possibly attack but. This reputation quite frankly only works when adults are using it. Grow up.(generic comment, Unicus, not aimed at you)

Skip


As far as I've read and understood this here thread, there has not been a single post warranting negative reputation votes, be it Skip or any other forum member.

What I've seen so far is a decent and thoughtfully discussion of differing POVs without any of the past inflammatory and personal attacks.

IMO, this thread shows pefectly well a change in behavior of community members towards each other and is in fact a picture perfect example of a thorough discussion between equals that has been (sadly) amiss in past days in these forums.

I think the reputation system actually managed to implant a change of behavior amongst the community, and for the better of it in general.
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Skip knows that I am a local leader with the Democratic Party here in California, that I am a registered lobbyist, and that there are laws with my name as author. If he does not think that referring to the Democratic Party at the "Democrat" Party is insulting, than he is far less informed than he purports. It is an insult, started by neocon pundits, which has infected the worst aspect of the Republican Pary. These posts are insulting to all Democrats (members and supporters of the Democratic Party) and particularly to me.

This is offensive not just to my party, but to the two-party system.



Ken or Gerri, please lock this insult bearing thread down.


I don't intend to interfere on something that might be way too localized (US compared to Germany, that is) for me to understand, but if the shortening of a a certain verbiage carries insult, it surely is a well known fact among the "normal" (i.e. unpolitical = not organized in a party) citizens to pass as a "normal" election process snide remark.

If I'm mistaken and this abbreviation carries more weight, please enlighten me, as I'm always curious to learn more, especially about the US political system.

EDIT: I just read yourexcerpt from Wikipedia. To me, it sounds like nothing different from the day to day bickering political parties in Germany have to put up with. To me it sounds like someone trying to divert attention from substantial points of discussion (which, IMO, the Democratic (or Democrats) could argue very wellagainst the Rebublicans) toward a completely irrelevant field of attention.
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From Media Matters:

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In recent months, media figures, including news reporters at CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the Chicago Tribune, and the Associated Press echoed Republicans by employing the word "Democrat" as an adjective to describe things or people of, or relating to, the Democratic Party -- including referring to the "Democrat" Party itself, even though that is not the party's name. The ungrammatical conversion of the noun "Democrat" to an adjective was the brainchild of Republican partisans, presumably an attempt to deny the opposing party the claim to being "democratic" -- or in the words of New Yorker magazine senior editor Hendrik Hertzberg, "to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation." In the early 1990s, apparently due largely to the urging of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and Republican pollster Frank Luntz, the use of the word "Democrat" as an adjective became near-universal among Republicans.





From the Washington Post:

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President's Sin of Omission?
Dropped Syllable in Speech Riles Democrats
By Libby Copeland
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 25, 2007

The president in his State of the Union address Tuesday night left out a tiny little suffix that means a whole lot to some people. He did it so subtly you could have missed it. Just a little "-ic." What's in an "-ic"?

Bush started the speech on a bipartisan note, honoring the first Madam Speaker, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, and calling on the country to come together.

Then: "I congratulate the Democrat majority," he said, dropping the last two letters from "Democratic."

Bush does this a lot, and while it's hard to say if the omission was intentional in this instance, it is a semantic tactic that's been part of Republican warfare for decades. It's a little thing, a means of needling the opposition by purposefully mispronouncing its name, and of suggesting that the party on the left is not truly small-"d" democratic. The president's pronunciation was all the more striking because it was apparently not what Bush was supposed to say. The prepared speech that the White House distributed beforehand retained that precious "-ic."

The case of the missing suffix provoked an oh-no-he-di'int reaction from some Democrats. The bloggers caught it, of course. (Bloggers catch that sort of thing.) "Code word," wrote one. "Calculated insult," wrote another.

"We all noticed," says Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, founder of the liberal blogging site DailyKos.com, who replayed the president's opening words on his TiVo to make sure he'd heard what he thought he heard. "He just clearly couldn't help himself."

"Like nails on a chalkboard," says John Podesta, chief of staff in the Clinton White House, and president of the Center for American Progress.

Tuesday on CNN, Democratic strategist Paul Begala noted the omission right after it happened, adding that the president was being "insulting" and "self-defeating." Republican strategist Mike Murphy chided Begala, saying that if this was his "biggest complaint, I think the president had a pretty good night."

But for those who see a big symbol in two little letters, the question becomes: Is a man who can't say "-ic" capable of being bipartisan?

"He offers this olive branch," Begala says. "Boom, 10 seconds later, he drops the hammer, insults the party and he winks at his base. . . . It tells you what's in his heart. It tells you that he has no damn desire to compromise."

The missing "-ic" has a long legacy. Dick Armey was fond of saying "Democrat Party." Commie-hunting Sen. Joseph McCarthy even used the phrase half a century ago. Bush used it Tuesday night even as he was calling for politicians to "cross that aisle," even in the context of a formal address and even as he addressed a Congress dominated by those he was insulting.

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For Skip to claim that he is a Washinton DC insider, while he is delivering a Republican viewpoint, and use this term as he does so, either means that he was deliberately being insulting, or he has no knowledge of this insult and therefore he is not any kind of Washington insider at all. I leave the choice open.

I still take it as an insult.

As would many members of the Democratic Party.
If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

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Well excuuuse me, Cliff. I don't CARE what you party affiliation is nor that you are a leader. Youur behavior smacks of exactly the problem with politics in DC these days. And yes the Democrat party is very intolerant and has taken us down a road I don't like to see us heading down. They have done it incrementally, you know about frogs don't you, Cliff. I suggest a little more study of your party and its racist past, and the purpose for the LBJ welfare programs.

How typical that a member of your party would claim that a someone expressing his opinion is offensive. That in and of itself is offensive. How dare you.

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Is it just me, or is it starting to smell of Weapons of Mass Deception in here?     
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For Skip to claim that he is a Washinton DC insider, while he is delivering a Republican viewpoint, and use this term as he does so, either means that he was deliberately being insulting, or he has no knowledge of this insult and therefore he is not any kind of Washington insider at all. I leave the choice open.

I still take it as an insult.

As would many members of the Democratic Party.


I honestly don't see how it is offensive, as quite a few people I know often refer to themselves as 'Democrats'.  Maybe it's because I am literal and take words for what they actually mean. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Is it just me, or is it starting to smell of Weapons of Mass Deception in here?     


It is certainly starting to smell like something. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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So....now I am not even allowed to express my displeasure if I am insulted or find something said to be absolutely outrageous. Somehow I am not surprised. Disappointed, but not at all surprised.

Skip
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