Hi Guys,

After the camps submit there lists the groups/camps disband. Tops you meet with a group 10 - 15min.

Quoting kdh1949:

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She said that she's planning on getting a job with bennies so I certainly wouldn't fault her for the current situation without more information.  In any case, I'll save my scorn for the people who created the system, not those living in it.

I may have misinterpreted everything that she said, but at one point it sounded to me that she would prefer not to have to get a different job to get the bennies.  That I can certainly understand, but it should not fall upon the government to provide bennies for people who want to do things that don't pay enough to provide them with those bennies.  If someone is independently wealthy, he/she can take whatever job he/she wants.  Most of the rest of us have to make sacrifices, though.  While I am willing to give a helping hand to the people in the society who cannot provide for themselves, I am not willing to do so for the people who don't help themselves first.

Ummmmmm there is no where there that allows Congress the kind of authority they are assuming with this Market Stabilization Act.

I'm going to try to respond to everyone who responded to me in this one post.  We'll see how well that works.  Please pardon the exceedingly long post.  :/

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In response to Dan W.:

I am aware they are required to treat by law.  I don't believe that same law requires them not to bill.  It will probably come down to a definition of indigent, which I have always heard as a synonym for homeless (correct me if I'm wrong).  I am not homeless, in fact I own my home outright (it may be a mobile home, it may be old, but it is mine). 

The way I see it, it would be much like going to the clinic.  Sure, up front they're like, you make X so that qualifies you to pay $20, so you think, sure, I can afford that and you have your annual check up. What they don't mention is that later they'll bill you for that pap smear and you'll end up with a $200 bill in your mailbox.  Because they know if they mention that this'll cost you $220 that you won't do it.

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In response to hal9g:

No, I'm not necessarily making the assumption that I will not enjoy my next job, wherever that may be.  However, I do know that I love where I work now, because I enjoy working with the people.  I hope that I will find a better paying job with benefits that will have coworkers whom I will at least like.  But that is never a certainty. 

As for not having a serious or life-threatening condition, that’s an assumption on your part.  I’ll explain if you like, but the explanation generally makes men queasy.

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In response to bbursiek:

Yes, I have made a choice to work at the place where I do.  I needed a job with flexible scheduling while I finished my graduate work.  The only real option for that is retail employment.

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In response to Skip and to kdh1949:

"She would prefer to buy DVDs than provide for her healthcare." and “Clearly this user CHOOSES to spend money on DVDs and not on health insurance.”

Actually, you are both making one assumption that is untrue.  It’s sort of a strange bit, but most of my DVDs don’t cost me anything but time.  My boss will often ask me to work longer hours - "Can you come in early?  Can you stay later?"  I always say yes, and in return he gives me movies.  Also, there is only one car in my household between two people who work two different shifts.  So there's a lot of downtime that one or the other of us spends at the shop doing work for credit.  So, I’m not actually paying $$ for the vast majority of the movies in my collection.  If you know somewhere I can get insurance for the actual money that I put out for DVDs (which this week was $6, bringing my total for the month up to $25) then by all means, let me know.  Because last I checked, I could get on with my mother’s healthcare as a 'domestic partner' at a cost of $250 a month, a lot more than my actual cash expenditure on DVDs.  Certainly if I had the money to pay full retail value for what we acquire every month for time I would have more than enough $$ for healthcare and would be happy to buy it.

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In response to kdh1949:

"I may have misinterpreted everything that she said, but at one point it sounded to me that she would prefer not to have to get a different job to get the bennies."

No, that’s not a misinterpretation.  I would love to be able to remain at the job I have, as I love my job.  However, I went into it knowing that I would not be able to do so, knowing that I would eventually finish my graduate work and acquire my degree and be qualified to do something that both pays better and has benefits.  Hopefully I will enjoy that job as well, as I have enjoyed the studies that will grant me my degree at the end of the year.

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But between several users posts there seems to be a feeling that those who work in low-paying jobs do not deserve health care because they "choose" to work in those jobs and it’s their responsibility to provide health care for themselves.  If health care were reasonably priced I would agree with that proposition; however it is not, neither the insurance, nor the care itself.  Yes, I am choosing for the moment to work in a low-paying job.  But not everyone who works in one is choosing to do so.  Many of those people are working in those jobs because those are the ones they are qualified for.  And if you think the clerk selling you DVDs or your hamburger at lunch get healthcare, then I want some of what you’re smoking.

Good luck to you, Dannae. As I said I was dealing with what you said not YOU and in that regard my opinion stands. I am happy to hear that it doesn't apply specifically to you, what some of our lovely stormtroopers don't comprehend is speaking conceptually, which is why i say my opinion stands. What is your degree in?

It is a pity that we have some jack-booted thugs here who presume to KNOW more than they really do and judge people with the resultant attempts to control both thought and speech. Jawohl. Mein Herr. My apologies to my German friends and possibly even relatives.

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Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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"I may have misinterpreted everything that she said, but at one point it sounded to me that she would prefer not to have to get a different job to get the bennies."

No, that’s not a misinterpretation.  I would love to be able to remain at the job I have, as I love my job.  However, I went into it knowing that I would not be able to do so, knowing that I would eventually finish my graduate work and acquire my degree and be qualified to do something that both pays better and has benefits.  Hopefully I will enjoy that job as well, as I have enjoyed the studies that will grant me my degree at the end of the year.

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But between several users posts there seems to be a feeling that those who work in low-paying jobs do not deserve health care because they "choose" to work in those jobs and it’s their responsibility to provide health care for themselves.  If health care were reasonably priced I would agree with that proposition; however it is not, neither the insurance, nor the care itself.  Yes, I am choosing for the moment to work in a low-paying job.  But not everyone who works in one is choosing to do so.  Many of those people are working in those jobs because those are the ones they are qualified for.  And if you think the clerk selling you DVDs or your hamburger at lunch get healthcare, then I want some of what you’re smoking.

Despite how what I have said already sounds, I am not unsympathetic to people who work in low-paying jobs if that's the best they can do.  When I was a small child, only my father was employed and he most certainly worked in a low-paying job.  But he never expected the government to pay for the health costs for his family.  But in the intervening years some people have tried to engineer a paradigm shift for the society.  Now people claim that there are "entitlement" programs and claim that just by drawing breath, people somehow are "entitled" to have the government give them things.  What I have a problem accepting is the perception that someone who has chosen a particular career path knowing that the job doesn't provide adequate (or any) health coverage then expecting the society at large to support them by taxing everyone else.  I don't have an answer to this problem, but I reject the Marxian "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)" philosophy.

Yes they were, lars. You obviously have no idea what I refer to and i am not going to educate you you. But...the reason i chose it is because I believe that we have users who are guilty of SS style behavior.

You keep butting in without understanding and making yourself look foolish. My choices are made with deliberation and care, they are not chosen to avoid people but to call attention to their behavior in specific ways/

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As llong as you wish to be an SS operative anmd try to control thought and speech I have NO INTEREST in your comments. They have NO validity.
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I feel personally offended by this post. It shows that the reputation system is unable to deal with such behaviour. In a moderated forum this sentence, which I think is not covered by the freedom of speech, would have led to at least a temporary ban of the user.

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  My intention at this point is to go to work at a school, probably a middle school, as a school librarian and work on my MA in education while doing so.  Despite how much I do love my job, I don't love the small paycheck and am looking forward to not being poor.

Well, if you're going into the education field, not being poor isn't an option . Seriously though, I commend you. My neice recently completed her BA and has obtained her teaching credential. She's currently teaching 5th graders and finds it very rewarding.