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Anamorphic on Blu-ray/DVD Combo Sets. To tick or not to tick, that is the question |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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On the topic:
From the rules: "details from the HD media in the main profile."
Ok, so where in the rules does it say that extras from the DVD or other discs, should be entered into the parent profile? Are we just saying that's what we should do because child profiles are optional?
No, I am saying we should do it because the rule also says they "are to be entered as a normal profile." Unless I am mistaken, when we have a 2-disc set...one with a main feature on one disc and bonus features on the other...we enter those bonus features in the profile. Why would we do it differently here? Maybe I'm being obtuse; but I don't see this as being the same at all. If I get a 2-disc set in my hands that has a Film/Feature on Disc 1 and Features on disc 2 I do exactly as you state. However, when Disc 2 contains the same film and different features/details etc, then I create a child profile for the second disc to accurately track the data. So, if I have a Combo set: Captain America 3D Disc 1: 3D Disc 2: 2D Disc 3: DVD 2D I have 3 profiles for this set, each containing the details specific to that disc. My 'main profile' for the 3D version does NOT contain ANY of the Features from the other two disc. Why? Because those features are NOT on the 3D disc! So why the hell would I want to put them on there? It's idiotic to do so. Hence, my question (which was not facetious): Are we just saying that's what we should do because child profiles are optional? The ONLY way this makes sense is if the child profiles don't exist. Personally, I'd rather go with NOT being allowed to add the child profiles than shoving a load of data into a profile that's not there. |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
Quoting JeroenX:
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I think that the following is unclear:
I agree, that with a combo pack the 'anamorphic' shouldn't be ticked, since the main media (if Blu-ray) can't be anamorphic.
But the program forces us to check PAL/NTSC, which doesn't belong to the main media (if Blu-ray).
So we have to contribute data (PAL/NTSC) which, according to the rule, may not be entered.
No one has the answer to this question...
If I've to ignore the 'anamorphic' option in combo, what should I do with the PAL/NTSC option, that I'm forced to use?
Should I thick the option with regard to DVD or what?
And in this case, why the option PAL/NTSC is mandatory and the anamorphic option is forbidden? If you search for that you see that the PAL/NTSC is a known issue with the program that has not been dealt with yet. From what it looks like at one point it was purposeully left in since there was dabate ho how to handle the DVD/BD combo's where the DVD is the main media type (some Disney releases). But it appeases that since then putting DVD as the main media type has been dropped. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pantheon: The problem with that approach is that the DVD profile is optional. It doesn't make sense to me that we take content away from the profile if content is added to the second disc. If we do it how you are saying, if I buy a disc with a Blu-ray and a DVD like Donnie Darko, where disc 1 is a Blu-ray with the movie and disc 2 is a DVD with documentaries and interviews, then we list those documentaries and interviews on the profile. If we add a copy of the movie to disc 2 as well, like The Graduate, then we take those documentaries and interviews off the profile.
Also, it was fairly common for a while to have the digital copy on the same DVD as the regular DVD of the movie. (Example: Where the Wild Things Are.) DOes this mean the digital copy shouldn't be listed on the main profile and should only be on the optional DVD child profile? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find it somewhat frustrating that ken hasn't said anything about this issue (the issue at hand, not all the nonsense!). He posted in the MGM thread but can't make a simple post on how this situation should be handled? I appreciate that he took the time to post in the other thread, but I'd rather see him clear this up before it goes on for another 9 pages.
I think the ability to change the video format data when both DVD & Blu-ray/HD-DVD is a glitch. I believe having to choose PAL/NTSC is a glitch, but in the meantime it should reflect what is on the DVD.
The one I'm not sure about is the features, as both sides make valid points & I'm not sure on either what should be done in accordance to the current rules and theoretically how it should be done. Since the child profiles are optional, it does make sense to make sure the features data are captured in the profile, but at the same time I can see the argument for just having it in the DVD profile. I think locally I'd treat the DVD as a bonus disc and capture it's feature in the main profile, but am not sure if this is correct under the current rules.
Would love to get Ken's thoughts on the matter. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules specify that the details from the HD media should be used for the main profile. The intent of this rule is to prevent conflicts where there is overlap. For instance, if the aspect ratio differs between them, the HD media's aspect ratio is entered.
What makes the 16x9 enhanced checkbox somewhat unique is that there is by definition no conflict - if the checkbox is checked, it applies to the DVD. The NTSC/PAL field is in the same boat. This leaves open the possibility of tracking this data on the parent profile without creating a conflict with the HD data.
I see three options:
1) Add an exception to the combo media rule allowing entry for these two fields
2) Alter the program to disable them when Blu-ray is checked. This option is not quite that simple however. Leaving the fields disabled and unchecked still stores a value - they are in effect marked as non-anamorphic, unless we do a database change. The program change also would also prevent users from entering this data on the main profile, reducing flexibility in the local database - something we try to avoid.
3) Automatically uncheck the 16x9 enhanced option at the time of contribution for profiles which have the Blu-ray media type checked.
Back to the floor for discussion... | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Pantheon: The problem with that approach is that the DVD profile is optional. It doesn't make sense to me that we take content away from the profile if content is added to the second disc. If we do it how you are saying, if I buy a disc with a Blu-ray and a DVD like Donnie Darko, where disc 1 is a Blu-ray with the movie and disc 2 is a DVD with documentaries and interviews, then we list those documentaries and interviews on the profile. If we add a copy of the movie to disc 2 as well, like The Graduate, then we take those documentaries and interviews off the profile.
Also, it was fairly common for a while to have the digital copy on the same DVD as the regular DVD of the movie. (Example: Where the Wild Things Are.) DOes this mean the digital copy shouldn't be listed on the main profile and should only be on the optional DVD child profile? I agree Ace. I would prefer that we NOT be allowed to add child profiles to these sets at all. Problem solved. But, I come from the standpoint of not caring about the differences in sound/aspect ratio etc. I only created child profiles for the differences in features and because others may want them. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The rules specify that the details from the HD media should be used for the main profile. The intent of this rule is to prevent conflicts where there is overlap. For instance, if the aspect ratio differs between them, the HD media's aspect ratio is entered.
What makes the 16x9 enhanced checkbox somewhat unique is that there is by definition no conflict - if the checkbox is checked, it applies to the DVD. The NTSC/PAL field is in the same boat. This leaves open the possibility of tracking this data on the parent profile without creating a conflict with the HD data.
I see three options:
1) Add an exception to the combo media rule allowing entry for these two fields
2) Alter the program to disable them when Blu-ray is checked. This option is not quite that simple however. Leaving the fields disabled and unchecked still stores a value - they are in effect marked as non-anamorphic, unless we do a database change. The program change also would also prevent users from entering this data on the main profile, reducing flexibility in the local database - something we try to avoid.
3) Automatically uncheck the 16x9 enhanced option at the time of contribution for profiles which have the Blu-ray media type checked.
Back to the floor for discussion... Well, bugger! I was doing it correctly all along but stopped because other people told me to. I hate it when that happens! |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Does this mean I was right after all?  |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, time to lock down profiles.  |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Either option 1 or a database change. I don't want a bunch of stuff listed as non-anamorphic DVDs that really isn't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The rules specify that the details from the HD media should be used for the main profile. The intent of this rule is to prevent conflicts where there is overlap. For instance, if the aspect ratio differs between them, the HD media's aspect ratio is entered.
What makes the 16x9 enhanced checkbox somewhat unique is that there is by definition no conflict - if the checkbox is checked, it applies to the DVD. The NTSC/PAL field is in the same boat. This leaves open the possibility of tracking this data on the parent profile without creating a conflict with the HD data.
I see three options:
1) Add an exception to the combo media rule allowing entry for these two fields
2) Alter the program to disable them when Blu-ray is checked. This option is not quite that simple however. Leaving the fields disabled and unchecked still stores a value - they are in effect marked as non-anamorphic, unless we do a database change. The program change also would also prevent users from entering this data on the main profile, reducing flexibility in the local database - something we try to avoid.
3) Automatically uncheck the 16x9 enhanced option at the time of contribution for profiles which have the Blu-ray media type checked.
Back to the floor for discussion... Thanks Ken. My thoughts: 1) I like the current rule. 2) Agreed, I don't think taking that functionality away from people who want to do it in their local is a good thing. 3) I like this one the best, it gives the users the flexibility to use it if they like, but also won't courrupt the online database. One thing you didn't address are the bonus features... should the DVD's features be recorded in the main profile? For example the blu-ray combo of Road House (US BD UPC 883904-143734), the DVD has a couple of commentaries but the blu-ray does not. I'm not at home, so I have to check from my iPhone, but it doesn't appear that commentaries are ticked in the profile. to me, the DVD is like a bonus disc and I'd prefer to have the features of the DVD listed in the profile as well. There are quite a few blu-rays that have a second disc with just bonus features but is a DVD, such as Patton and Donne Darko and those features appear to be listed on the blu-ray profile. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Does this mean I was right after all? Nope! Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
1) Add an exception to the combo media rule allowing entry for these two fields
. Obviously if there was a rule change needed then it isn't in the current rules!  Hmmm, I just re-read his post... now I'm confused.  | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Either option 1 or a database change. I don't want a bunch of stuff listed as non-anamorphic DVDs that really isn't. #3 as I don't want a bunch of blu-rays listed as anamorphic when they aren't!  | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
Well, time to lock down profiles. I listed three possibilities, one of which has the option checked in this case and two of which have it unchecked. Were you not on the side of leaving it unchecked? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken I'm confused... What is the current rule? As it stands now, should the box be ticked for combos that include an anamorphic DVD? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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