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| Registered: June 24, 2007 |  Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | This issue has probably been reported before, but I couldn't find any similar thread.
What do we actually do when we have two different movies with the same UPC?
For example, "Reeker" and "Marian, Again" both have UPC 7350019701409, although "Reeker" is the title that shows up when you enter the UPC in DVD Profiler.
The second title, which was added by me, can be located only through title search or by disc ID.
Adding by disc ID may be considered "good enough", but I still find it pretty inconvienient and especially since it DOES have a real UPC.
(Both movies are released by the same company.)
Why can't we have more than one title on the same UPC? I mean, when entering the UPC, there should be a list of these two titles, giving the user the choice to choose the correct title for his/her list.
Surely there must be a way to make it possible, maybe by assigning extra digits for cases like this.
For example, Reeker gets an extra "+1" and Marian gets a "+2", and other eventual releases with same UPC gets +3, +4 and so on. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are these for the same locality?
I don't think it's impossible for UPCs to be reused in the same locality, but it's rare and usually down to small companies.
If they are then you have to enter the second title by disc id. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: June 24, 2007 | | Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, they're both for the same locality; Sweden.
Well, I know that, but I was wondering if there will be a way to have _both_ titles added by same UPC.
I really can't say that I know how the database works, but there should be a way to make it possible, don't you think?
Like I said, to just use some extra internal digit for the titles, to avoid database confusions, or something..? |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Happens in larger localities too, and not only with re-releases or sequels, but also with completely different movies.
Since it is possible to have two (or more) DVD's with the same UPC for different localities and then choose in a drop-down box, the mechanism for doing the same for two DVD's with the same UPC in one locality is basically there in DVDP. No extra or fake digits required.
The Disc ID option is a workaround only, and not particularly elegant. And maybe not everyone has a DVD-player in their PC. | | | | Hans | | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it t is possible to have the same UPC to point to two different titles, but it can only be set up by Ken and he has only done that on very rare occasions.
You could try dropping him a PM asking him to add the profile using the UPC, but I think that if it's possible to get the right profile using the ID then he'll probably leave it at that. |
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| Registered: June 24, 2007 | | Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Since it is possible to have two (or more) DVD's with the same UPC for different localities and then choose in a drop-down box, the mechanism for doing the same for two DVD's with the same DVD in one locality is basically there in DVDP. I'm assuming that you mean UPC instead of DVD. However, this feature was not available last time I tried. When I first tried to submit the movie "Marian, Again", the database apparently thought that I wanted to _replace_ the already existing profile for "Reeker" (which has the same UPC/locality). The only way to add the title was to add it by disc ID. This means, it is (was) _not_ possible for the database to carry more than one title with the same UPC. And like you say, it's not really an elegant way. Disc ID just doesn't work well enough, and selecting the appropriate title by name search is also pretty confusing sometimes. Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I think it t is possible to have the same UPC to point to two different titles, but it can only be set up by Ken and he has only done that on very rare occasions.
You could try dropping him a PM asking him to add the profile using the UPC, but I think that if it's possible to get the right profile using the ID then he'll probably leave it at that. Well, at least it's confirmed then. I'll try sending him a PM. | | | | Last edited: by Hybinette |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're right, 'DVD' in my post should be 'UPC'.
I mean that the functionality to choose between two discs with the same UPC is present. At the same time, you are correct that it is not allowed to submit two discs with the same UPC. Somehow, this is contradictory. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Besides, if you add it by Disc ID, others won't find that DVD in the database if they look for it by UPC. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The title enterde by Disc ID has been entered correctly, this is the correct approach for handling your issue, hybinette. It take something really exceptional to for ken to allow TWO separate entries for UPC #, the only one that I can think of is T2: UE. Two separate title would not qualify.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've definitely seen it happen before with Platinum Disc Corporation and Ardustry Home Entertainment.
Usually they were different movies meant to be sold in stores such as Wal-Mart (i.e. the budget bin) and all utilized the same identical UPC code.
I've had to add quite a few of those into the database via Disc ID. | | | | Corey | | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen several more examples too. The fact that this can not be entered makes it easy to understimate the number. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | But it can be enterd, and it has been entered via Disc ID as it should be, Staid.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just mean that it is difficult to get statistics on the number of doubly used UPC's, because of the workaround (Disc ID) or filter (Ken, no disrespect intended) that is applied. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
I just mean that it is difficult to get statistics on the number of doubly used UPC's, because of the workaround (Disc ID) or filter (Ken, no disrespect intended) that is applied. Damn those cheap firms!  Although I've been lucky and avoided these, I would find it useful if a disc id could be used more than once as I have a few boxset titles that are re-releases of discs from other boxsets, so can see why it would be a nice addition. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sure it wouldn't harm the program or open it up to commercial abuse if Ken set the limit to maybe 3 or 4 profiles per UPC/disc ID. |
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| Registered: June 24, 2007 | | Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, northbloke.
At least I got this issue confirmed, but I can't seem to understand why it's limited to only one profile.
As for my example, both releases are 100 % legitimate, it's just that the company screwed up and put the same UPC on those two. It's kind of frustrating that only one of them can be entered through UPC.
Anyway, I've sent Ken a PM about this, hopefully he will make a statement in this thread. |
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