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Found product on CNet but a bit uncertain by a negative review
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Xerstorer
Registered: November 28, 2007
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Hello, I found this site on Download.com (cnet) as I was looking for a program similar to the one I use for my music, but for my DVDs. DVD Profiler was at the top of the list.

There were three reviews, two which only list pros, then one which seems to be a lenghty attack:

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"Pros: If you are looking for a quick application to use to enter data for your DVD collection, this fits that bill nicely.

Cons: The main draw of the program of course is the online functionality, and there are serious issues in that department. All of the data contributed to the developer's servers by the users is subject to insanely rigorous "rules." Many of these rules when strictly followed result in ridiculous data. For example, there is a rule saying that a DVD title must come from the front cover. Therefore, the DVD for "Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones" would have to be entered as "II: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones," because that's exactly what's on the cover. That's just one example. Another is "Production year." The rules say to use the "year of theatrical release," which is *not* the production year. Even then, entering the year of original theatrical release is often seen as incorrect by other users, because even if the movie premiered at film festivals the year before, many users feel that film festival premiers do not fall under "theatrical release."

Again, I listed two examples above, but there are actually many many issues like this that would be too extensive to go into here.

They have forums for discussing these sorts of issues, but these forums harbor some of the biggest trolls on the internet (including one person in particular who regularly insults every poster). The developers appear to be personal friends with these trolls, so they are allowed free reign on the forums to behave as they wish.

Because of these factors, most users will find that when they take the time to enter data for a particular DVD and then contribute it, other users will use the voting system set up on the site to downvote their contribution because it doesn't strictly adhere to their listed rules, when in fact the issue is usually due to the many issues and contradictions present within their rules. When the user goes to the forum to try to discuss the issue, they will find themselves berated and insulted by the trolls, and at that point the person will give up entirely and want nothing more to do with the online database."

Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalidain
You're no Daisy at all!
Registered: March 16, 2007
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Clearly this person is attacking the product base on experiences he/she has had.  Yes there are rules to submitting data into the database.  I challenge anyone out there to find a more concise database of DVD/movies than this one.  I myself do not contribute and I have never been into keeping up with all the rules.  I do however recommend that you pay for the premium version of DVDProfiler if you plan on being a user and not a contributor.

As for the forums there are disagreements just like any other internet forum on the web today.  The "trolls" as he refers to them are not nearly as bad as he portrays them.  That being said, the product should not be rated negatively based on the forums!!!
My Collection!!!
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?

take it with a pinch of salt. the contribution rules can be found under the database section of this forum. I never had big problems with it. If there where problems you could ask in this lively forum.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I could probably guess correctly as to who the author is.

Skip<shakes head>
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?


The production year example is true, but a name change has been requested so may not be an issue for much longer. It's also a fairly minor pain.
The Star Wars example is completely false: The actual inputted title is Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones (because the cover doesn't include the word "episode") Everybody has a different opinion as to whether this is a big deal or not.
The rules are quite complicated, and quite rigorously upheld. And it can be quite hard for new users to get their heads round them. But users on the forums are happy to help with any queries. And you are under no obligation to contribute anything if you don't want to!

Why not give the program a go? You can download the program and use it for free as long as you don't add more than 50 DVDs (after that, some parts become restricted until you register it) and see if it's to your taste.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
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DVD Profiler was at the top of the list.

Where it belongs.
BTW: Free DVD Profiler is fully funtional up to 50 titles, so just install it and input some titles and give it a test run.
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Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?

Well ... any truth? Yes. The rules are strict, but for a reason. Click Database -> Contribution Rules to have a look.
And yes, some users in this forum are harsh up to the point of abusiveness, but a) you will find this kind of persons in all forums and you have to leran to deal with them and b) in the near future there will be a "Reputation System" that hopefully will take care the most acute pains.


cya, Mithi
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
Vescere bracis meis
Registered: March 14, 2007
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If you are looking for a program to catalog your DVD collection, you won't find a better program than this right here.

And if all you want to do is catalog, you don't have to worry about rules, about forums, about discussions. All you have to do is to enter the UPC, download the profile and finetune the data you received to your personal liking.

You are not obliged to upload anything, and the program does not do it automatically either. This is no P2P kinda thing.

If you buy a DVD that's not in the online, i.e. the profile is not found when entering the UPC, just wait. Sooner or later soemone will add it, and you'll be able to download it and have the data someone else provided made available to you as well.

Once again: the rules do not concern those users only taking the data available and using it locally. All problems relevant to the rules and according discussions in the forums only affect those contributing to the online db. For if you decide to actively participate in the creation and inprovement of the online db, the place where you get all the info for your profiles to begin with, you'll have to do it accodering to the rules.

The user who wrote that review obviously does not agree with certain rules. Well, he is in no way forced to upload his data, he can download the data from Invelos, change it in whatever way he likes, lock the profiles on his PC and avoid them being overwritten once he has set them up (even partially if only portions of the profile differ from the online, rule conform version) and the program will work just fine.

The problem, if it's one at all, is that there are users of the program who fail to understand the concept of an online database as a starting point and a local database each user creates that reflects his personal preferences. You must have both, and it's not a problem at all to maintain your own personal db that does not at all follow the rules.
Lutz
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
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EDIT:  This post was a 'knee jerk' reaction and I shouldn't have made it.  After thinking about it for a few minutes, I realized that the person who wrote the review probably just used an example he/she saw in our forums.  I know the person who made the original post and he would not do anything to sabotage this program.  My alpologies. 

I am sorry if that edit confuses anybody.  I now return you to your regularly scheduled forum post. 

As to the rest of the 'review', my fellow forum members have already said it all...and quite well I might add.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Registered: June 9, 2007
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4.5 out of 5 from 14 votes aint bad! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDvdjon
Ministry of silly walks
Registered: July 15, 2007
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I could probably guess correctly as to who the author is.

Skip<shakes head>



I have a nominee too heheheheh
Jon has recently watched these movies:
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Registered: July 15, 2007
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And there is no program better than dvdp for a newbie user either. I used this program 5 years without uploading anything. The last year ive started to upload profiles and its actually quite fun. Especially if you make a change that is well recieved in the voting process.

I suggest you test it out and ask here in the forum for help if you need any, they are mostly nice to us.
But I do suggest to check out the word irony in a dictonary as much of the Trolling originates in misunderstandings.

We welcome every new user with open hands.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantgardibolt
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In the words of Orson Welles, "It's All True."  OTOH, it's probably the best such software out there.
"This movie has warped my fragile little mind."
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Hello, I found this site on Download.com (cnet) as I was looking for a program similar to the one I use for my music, but for my DVDs. DVD Profiler was at the top of the list.

There were three reviews, two which only list pros, then one which seems to be a lenghty attack:

Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?


As others have said. The rules are there to stop needless and continuous changes to dvd profiles.

There used to be the problem where it wasn't as clear what information should be held for dvds and this meant that there was the opportunity to interpret the data differently. This could lead to some titles being changed on a regular basis. Trying to be exact about how you input the data means (or should mean) that titles are more static and don't keep changing.
Paul
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Is this program dead?
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Is there any truth to this or is this just some crank user with an axe to grind?


To be totally honest... a little of both.  The rules for contribution are definitely strict, but for a reason.  This database is very comprehensive and consistent, and it's because of those rules.  The production year and title rules were explained in this thread already.  I won't go back over that.  The person that wrote that definitely wanted to point out HIS issues, not the product's.  The fact that you came here and asked shows that you suspected as much.  The community here is generally helpful, but as with any forum there are always one or two bad apples.  Feel free to use the "ignore user" feature to not hear from them again.  Message me and I'll give you the names. 

Anyway, there are two things I would like to suggest.  One, of course, try the product for free and see what you think.  You'll be back, I can almost guarantee that.  Two, any data that you don't agree with (like most of us did with the Star Wars title issue) may be locked within your local database, and you'll never be bothered with it again.
Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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Many of these rules when strictly followed result in ridiculous data. For example, there is a rule saying that a DVD title must come from the front cover. Therefore, the DVD for "Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones" would have to be entered as "II: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones," because that's exactly what's on the cover.

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The Star Wars example is completely false: The actual inputted title is Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones (because the cover doesn't include the word "episode")

No, it's not. If you examine the cover closely, the roman number two is covered with the texts "Star Wars" and "Attack of the Clones" which means that the number has to come first. And this shows exactly how insanely it is to use the rule "Use the title from the front cover" for a title change in certain surcumstances. The rules should be followed as much as possible, but there can always be situations you have to use own head and not the one of someone else.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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Martin, we should agree to disagree at this point.  I'm quite sure Ken knows the different viewpoints now but for now, things should stay the way they are.
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