Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next
Tolkien Estate Sues New Line Cinema
Author Message
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBad Father
Registered: July 23, 2001
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 4,596
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
The Tolkien Estate has filed suit against New Line Cinema for allegedly not paying 7.4% of gross receipts from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy as agreed upon.

There goes "The Hobbit".
My WebGenDVD online Collection
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
Here's my card
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 5,917
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
New Line is looking like Scrooge.

Sad.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
Registered: March 14, 2007
United States Posts: 1,777
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Between the estate and Jackson, I'm wondering exactly who New Line has fully paid.  Besides themselves, of course.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBerak
Bibamus morieundum est!
Registered: May 10, 2007
Norway Posts: 1,059
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
          Me hatessss New Line!!!           
Berak

It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all!
 Last edited: by Berak
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I find all of this odd as they, the Tolkien estate, don't own the film rights. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
Registered: Feb 12, 2000
Registered: March 28, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 1,299
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
I find all of this odd as they, the Tolkien estate, don't own the film rights. 

I'm guessing part of the sale of the rights was in exchange of a percentage of the box office.

KM
Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Astrakan:
Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
I find all of this odd as they, the Tolkien estate, don't own the film rights. 

I'm guessing part of the sale of the rights was in exchange of a percentage of the box office.

KM


Not likely.  Tolkien sold the movie, and merchandising rights, to United Artists back in 1966.  The rights changed hands a few times and, eventually, were purchased by Saul Zaentz in 1977.  His company, Tolkien Enterprises (a division of the Saul Zaentz Company) still owns those rights.

I doubt that a percentage of the box office was included in the deal 40+ years ago.  In those days, you simply sold the rights for a set amount.  I can't see how they are owed anything.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorVoltaire53
Missed again!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,293
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
I find all of this odd as they, the Tolkien estate, don't own the film rights. 

I'm guessing part of the sale of the rights was in exchange of a percentage of the box office.

KM


Not likely.  Tolkien sold the movie, and merchandising rights, to United Artists back in 1966.  The rights changed hands a few times and, eventually, were purchased by Saul Zaentz in 1977.  His company, Tolkien Enterprises (a division of the Saul Zaentz Company) still owns those rights.

I doubt that a percentage of the box office was included in the deal 40+ years ago.  In those days, you simply sold the rights for a set amount.  I can't see how they are owed anything.


Agreed; that's exactly how I heard it... apparently the estate were mad as hell and looking for legal loopholes all over the place when they realised that the films were going to be huge and JRR had sold the rights for 'a pitance' some time back but sold them he had.
My guess is it's another search for a legal back door which will fail... hopefully rapidly.
It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
Vescere bracis meis
Registered: March 14, 2007
Germany Posts: 742
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Well, judging from the preceeding claims by other parties (Saentz, Jackson) and the out-of-court settlements New Line sought, I'm not that sure the claims made by the trust are only a search for loopholes. The truth probably lies (as is the case most of the times) somewhere in the middle. We'll see....
Lutz
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorErik
It's a strange world.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
Norway Posts: 422
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote:
Between the estate and Jackson, I'm wondering exactly who New Line has fully paid.  Besides themselves, of course.

The actors had to sign some rather dodgy contracts as well.

"Shady Shaye," indeed...
Erik

"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski

DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote:
The Tolkien Estate hasfiled suit against New Line Cinema for allegedly not paying 7.4% of gross receipts from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy as agreed upon.

There goes "The Hobbit".

Well, whether or not the Tolkien Estate was entitled to anything after Tolkien sold the movie right in 1966 may be moot.  If New Line Cinema agreed to pay 7.4% of the gross receipts and now is reneging on that payment, in the real world they should be forced to pay it.  Unfortunately, Hollywood and the entertainment industry is rife with creative bookkeeping practices by the "suits" and frequently screw people out of what they are owed.  I expect to hear New Line Cinema argue that they don't have to pay the Estate anything because they didn't make any money on the Trilogy -- so 7.4% of nothing is nothing.  Of course, anyone with a brain will realize this is hogwash, but it wouldn't be the first time a company claimed that a hugely successful (read highly grossing) movie didn't make any profits.  That's why people try to get a percentage of the gross receipts -- though producers often find ways to avoid even that.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1  Previous   Next