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| Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | The more profiles I do I get more and more confused...
Spesially after all the new crew that can be added in 3.5 that makes art department almost too big to encounter.
(I am leaning towards others who don't do crew at all or at least only the key artists, I am simply not good at this and it doesent feel good when you are unshure)
Example: For special effects crew there can be multiple companies with one supervisor in each company group...
Are those to be entered one by one?
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #1
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #2
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #3
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
And so on...
And a completely different question, what about second and special located crew credited by themselves
Do we use dividers and credit them one by one in all department?
I did some search, but it is difficult when you dont know what keywords should be used in serach...
Some "Gurus" could maybe write some guide or something in addition to the rules?
The rules are not clear in all therms for me..
example yeat again: from the credits rules there is an explenation for crew entry that says "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." Does this mean translation to foreign language or an transaltion in different metode of writing the credits?
Does the credit ( Name - [Cast name's] Hair Stylist ) go under "direct translation" from the allowable crew entry rule: Makeup Artist & Hair to [Cast Name]?
There are others things aswell but I stop there, you can see I am all confused.. please help!
Ole O. | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
Example: For special effects crew there can be multiple companies with one supervisor in each company group...
Are those to be entered one by one?
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #1
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #2
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
Special effects by: Spesial effects studios name #3
Special Effects Supervisor: Name
And so on... I list each supervisor. Quote:
And a completely different question, what about second and special located crew credited by themselves
Do we use dividers and credit them one by one in all department? I don't add unit or location crew. Quote:
example yeat again: from the credits rules there is an explenation for crew entry that says "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." Does this mean translation to foreign language or an transaltion in different metode of writing the credits? If a non-English role translates directly to one of the listed roles, you may contribute it, eg. Chef maquilleuse = Makeup Artist Quote:
Does the credit ( Name - [Cast name's] Hair Stylist ) go under "direct translation" from the allowable crew entry rule: Makeup Artist & Hair to [Cast Name]? I only include hair credits if they are part of the makeup credit. eg: "Makeup Artist & Hair Stylist" = Makeup Artist "Hair Stylist" = nothing "Hair & Makeup for [actress name]" = Makeup Artist "Hair Stylist for [actress name]" nothing | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I only include hair credits if they are part of the makeup credit. eg:
"Makeup Artist & Hair Stylist" = Makeup Artist
"Hair Stylist" = nothing
"Hair & Makeup for [actress name]" = Makeup Artist
"Hair Stylist for [actress name]" nothing Thanks a bunch!! So when Ken says "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." Your oppinion is that he means exactly that. Just follow the list and only the list... (ofcourse Sound Mix can "translate" to Sound Mixing and based upon the book by "translate" to original material by) Is there a special cause for the Hair credits, that if they are credited the other way they usually are not that inportant persons on the set? (I was "translating" those to the other) | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
So when Ken says "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." Your oppinion is that he means exactly that. Just follow the list and only the list... Yes. The list is pretty complete and works well for English-US credits. Quote:
(ofcourse Sound Mix can "translate" to Sound Mixing and based upon the book by "translate" to original material by) I've not seen "Sound Mix" as a credit. If it was a non-US production and "Sound Mix" is equivalent to one of the listed roles in that region/locality, you may include it. For an English-US production though, it wouldn't be included since it isn't in the chart. "Original Material by" is blank for acceptable roles. My practice with that is to include any credit that is attributed as the source for pre-screenplay material, eg. "Based on the Novel by", "Based on the Play by", "Based on the Book by", "Based on [Title] by". Quote:
Is there a special cause for the Hair credits, that if they are credited the other way they usually are not that inportant persons on the set? (I was "translating" those to the other) You can put anything you want as an "Other" role. Those are not contributable. Hair credits by themselves are not contributable. We track "Makeup Artist". Sometimes though, the "hair" role is combined with the "makeup" role. Those get included as "makeup" by necessity in order to record the "makeup" role. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I've not seen "Sound Mix" as a credit. If it was a non-US production and "Sound Mix" is equivalent to one of the listed roles in that region/locality, you may include it. For an English-US production though, it wouldn't be included since it isn't in the chart. That was from the top of my head and I may not have seen it either... Sorry for asking more than ten wise can answer (as we say in Norway) but I have to get this right one time in future...  This is some more examples from the profile I was working on when this creapy feeling started (US produced): Special Makeup Created By --> Make-up Effects Visual Effect Art Director --> Vissual Effects Are those wrong then? Visual Effects Supervisor --> Visual Effects Is OK as per rules right? (just a failsafe question, thats how I read the list) and if the word are twisted around it is also ok? [actress name's] Makeup Artist --> Make-up Artist And at last, if there is a credit for the "second unit" or "[place] unit" entered this could be removed in a full edit of the profile? Sorry again for all this questions, and many thanks for the answers... | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
Special Makeup Created By --> Make-up Effects I wouldn't include it as either "Makeup Artist" or as "Makeup Effects" (because the word "effects" is not part of the role). Quote:
Visual Effect Art Director --> Vissual Effects I wouldn't include it as "Visual Effects" because of "Art Director". That's different from "Director" (which is ok). "Art Director" and "Director" aren't equivalent IMO. Quote:
Visual Effects Supervisor --> Visual Effects
Is OK as per rules right? (just a failsafe question, thats how I read the list) That one is perfect. Quote:
and if the word are twisted around it is also ok?
[actress name's] Makeup Artist --> Make-up Artist Yes, that's fine. Quote:
And at last, if there is a credit for the "second unit" or "[place] unit" entered this could be removed in a full edit of the profile? I wouldn't add them, but I wouldn't remove them either. There's no actual prohibition on unit crew with the exception of unit directors and unit photographers. Quote:
Sorry again for all this questions, and many thanks for the answers... No problem. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I am in the learning process, maybe another question is in the place.
From rules: Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited
Does this mean that for example in the sound department all the credits for Sound is to be listet together before Sound Designers together before Supervising Sound Editors together and so on? even though they are not credited in this order? | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
From rules: Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited
Does this mean that for example in the sound department all the credits for Sound is to be listet together before Sound Designers together before Supervising Sound Editors together and so on? even though they are not credited in this order? If you had film credits listing: Person #1: Sound Supervisor [our credit: Sound] Person #2: Production Mixer [ Production Sound Mixer] Person #3: Sound Recordist [ Sound] They should be listed in just that order, the order listed in the film credits. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | I must ask some more, sorry
If the order credited is:
Sound Editor
Production Sound Mixer
Sound Editor
It should be credited that way and not grouped together like this?
Sound Editor
Sound Editor
Production Sound Mixer
(because that is what I read from the rules, the higher grouping is set by the program so I tought the rule of grouping had to do with the grouping within the major groups (Music, Sound, Art ...))
(Although I have always ticked them in as they appeared in the credits order before) | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... | | | | Last edited: by oleops |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oleops.
Correct. We do NOT create the order of crediting, the filmmakers do.
sKIP | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting oleops:
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Special Makeup Created By --> Make-up Effects
I wouldn't include it as either "Makeup Artist" or as "Makeup Effects" (because the word "effects" is not part of the role). This is where I differ from James. For me, 'Special Makeup Created by' is the same as 'Special Make-up Effects [by]', so I would enter it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
I must ask some more, sorry
If the order credited is:
Sound Editor
Production Sound Mixer
Sound Editor
It should be credited that way and not grouped together like this?
Sound Editor
Sound Editor
Production Sound Mixer Correct. The first one you see if the first one you list, regardless of its order in the rules chart. Quote:
(because that is what I read from the rules, the higher grouping is set by the program so I tought the rule of grouping had to do with the grouping within the major groups (Music, Sound, Art ...))
(Although I have always ticked them in as they appeared in the credits order before) I can see how one could read it that way, but no, just enter them in the order they appear on-screen. Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting oleops:
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Special Makeup Created By --> Make-up Effects
I wouldn't include it as either "Makeup Artist" or as "Makeup Effects" (because the word "effects" is not part of the role).
This is where I differ from James. For me, 'Special Makeup Created by' is the same as 'Special Make-up Effects [by]', so I would enter it. OK. But both acceptable roles for Makeup Effects use the word "effects", so it seems a bit of a stretch to include a credit there that doesn't include at least that word.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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This is where I differ from James. For me, 'Special Makeup Created by' is the same as 'Special Make-up Effects [by]', so I would enter it.
OK. But both acceptable roles for Makeup Effects use the word "effects", so it seems a bit of a stretch to include a credit there that doesn't include at least that word. While the credit list is pretty complete, and works well for English-US credits, it isn't 100% complete. There are some areas where a little latitude is called for. 'Original Characters by', 'Original Material By' and 'Creature Designer' are just three areas that, per the rules, have to be left blank as those credits do not exist...at least not that I have seen. As for this specific credit, you are correct, it does not include the word 'effects'. But what does 'Special Make-up Effects [by]' mean? Is 'Special Makeup Created by' a direct translation? In my opinion, yes. You don't have to agree, and I am not trying to convince you, this is just how I deal with it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
While the credit list is pretty complete, and works well for English-US credits, it isn't 100% complete. There are some areas where a little latitude is called for. 'Original Characters by', 'Original Material By' and 'Creature Designer' are just three areas that, per the rules, have to be left blank as those credits do not exist...at least not that I have seen. We don't disagree here. I don't understand though how these areas with blank credits (requiring latitude) have any effect on the areas with specific credits. That opens up the whole "functional-equivalent" issue. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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