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Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Reservoir Dogs (Blu Ray) , locality The Netherlands, 8715664049877. Credits at the start of the film: LIVE America Inc. presents
A Lawrence Bender Production
In association with Monte Hellman and Richard N. Gladstein End credits copyright Dog eat Dog Productions, Inc
On the cover: A Miramax Film release Artisan Entertainment Presents a Lawrence Fender Production in association with Monte Hellman and Richard N. Gladstein.
Because I wasn't sure which studios to add I browsed through the dutch profiles for Reservoir Dogs (DVD). These are some of the combinations I came across:
RCV Kinowelt Studio Canal ---------------- Miramax Films Live Entertainment Dutch Filmworks ---------------- Miramax Films Dog Eat Dog Films DFW Dutch Filmworks ---------------- Dutch Filmworks Artisan ---------------- Dutch Filmworks ----------------
The rules: Studios List the Studios in the following priority. Theatrical Release Studio(s) Production Company(s) Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits.
On a couple of sites Dog Eat Dog Productions is listed as the production company, f.e. http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/30247/Reservoir+Dogs.html?dataSet=1 This does not however match the film credits or the cover.
I'm not at all sure what to enter as studio's. -Miramax Film/LIVE America/Lawrence Bender MC Dutch Filmworks? -Miramax Film/Artisan Entertainment/Lawrence Bender MC Dutch Filmworks? -Miramax Film/Dog Eat Dog/LIVE America MC Dutch Filmworks?
Or something else?
Please help before I go nuts. Steve |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I would say if no distributor like Miramax are mentioned at all in the actual film credits, then I don't think we can list them as a studio even if they are mentioned on the cover. Neither can we list individuals as studios, unless you can show they have a company the same name as them (which happens), so Lawrence Bender is out too.
So I would go with LIVE America and Dog Eat Dog Productions in the studio field (in that order), and I'm assuming Dutch Filmworks released the DVD so they would go in the Media Company field. If there is any mention of Miramax having something to do with the DVD (not just the film) then they can go there too. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Neither can we list individuals as studios, unless you can show they have a company the same name as them (which happens), so Lawrence Bender is out too. "Lawrence Bender Productions" actually is a company, though: link. |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: "Lawrence Bender Productions" actually is a company, though: link. Yes, but as far as I can tell he didn't form that company until a few years after Reservoir Dogs so it still wouldn't count for this profile. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| Posted: | | | | Fair enough. I just remembered that I did have that studio entry in my database somewhere, but indeed it's not for 'Reservoir Dogs'. |
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Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks for your thoughts so far . Miramax Film was one part I actually could find on the net. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miramax : List of Miramax filmsSee List of films released by Miramax Films 1992 Bob Roberts (co-production with Paramount Pictures, PolyGram Filmed Entertainment and Working Title Films) Enchanted April (distributor) Reservoir Dogs (distributor) (co-production with LIVE Entertainment) The reason I went looking was in one of the >100 posts I read on the subject today someone pointed out that the theatrical release studio is often not in the credits and sometimes not on the cover either. (Sorry, can't remember the where the post is located at the moment.) I find this awfully confusing |
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| Posted: | | | | Generally if the theatrical release studio is not mentioned in the actual film credits, we don't list them on the profile. You have to remember that the theatrical release studio can change from territory to territory. Miramax may have released it to theatres in the US, but there's no guarantee they released it anywhere else, the rights may have been sold to a different company. From the look of your credits, it actually sounds like LIVE America were responsible for the release in your territory, so I would class them as the theatrical release studio. And remember, it may not be clear in the rules (not much is! ), but just because it asks for the theatrical release studio first doesn't mean you must enter one. If none is listed simply go to the next in the list and start entering production companies. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, so far so good. So that would make it: - Live America (as a definite nr.1) & - Dutch Filmworks (as a definite MC) The only reference on film to Dog Eat Dog Productions is the copyright notice at the end of the film. However : On a couple of sites Dog Eat Dog Productions is listed as the production company, f.e. http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/30247/Reservoir+Dogs.html?dataSet=1 Is that why you'd add them (in the number 2-spot)? Sorry that I'd like it spelled out for me. but I intend to point to this thread when I contribute. Steve | | | Last edited: by Mallrat |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote: The only reference on film to Dog Eat Dog Productions is the copyright notice at the end of the film. That's enough for me. |
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| Posted: | | | | Don't worry about it. And yes the copyright notice is good enough for a studio slot, though you would list companies listed in the opening credits first. As there are none you can list on this film (all seem to be individuals) then the copyright notice is the next best place to look. |
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| Posted: | | | | Thanks a lot Northbloke and Tim. The info you gave will also help me with other future contributions! Cheers, Steve |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I would say if no distributor like Miramax are mentioned at all in the actual film credits, then I don't think we can list them as a studio even if they are mentioned on the cover. This is the only part I disagree with. The rules do not require the studios to come from the credits and not the case. While I take the information from the credits first, I do not rule out a studio that is listed only on the DVD/Blu-ray case. Since there is room, and Miramax did release this film, they should be included in the studio list. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Posted: | | | | My only concern was that, without corroboration from the DVD itself, how can we be sure Miramax were involved in the distribution in that particular territory? |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: My only concern was that, without corroboration from the DVD itself, how can we be sure Miramax were involved in the distribution in that particular territory? I don't think so: I don't believe Miramax has a local branch here, so I guess it's licensed out to some other company. That's actually quite common over here. But does it matter? I've given this some thought, and let me ask you: do we actually track local theatrical release studios at all? I've come to the conclusion that we don't, generally. Think about it: usually, the various DVD-releases of any given film will be based on one and the same transfer, and as such, usually, the profiles throughout the various regions and localities will be using the theatrical release studio listed in those credits, even when the contributor happens to know, and could maybe even document, that another company actually handled the theatrical release in that locality. Even when we know that, we generally seem to ignore it. Now that we're talking about The Netherlands, here's a list of about 500 films for which Dutch company A-Film is responsible for the theatrical release in this country. Hardly any of the corresponding DVD profiles will have them listed as theatrical release studio, though, as they're not listed as such on the covers (credits block) nor in the credits: they will just show the original theatrical distributor. And that's the one that we track. A recent example is 'Milk'. The credits will just show "Focus Features", so when it hits DVD, that's what will get entered, even though we have no branch of Focus Features here, and it was released to theaters by A-Film. So I'd be inclined to think we generally don't track local distributors at all. Given that we don't, I'd be inclined to add original theatrical release studio Miramax, even though the DVD distributor went so far as to chop their credit off the film (local DVD distributor Dutch Filmworks is, unfortunately, no stranger to antics like that). | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: My only concern was that, without corroboration from the DVD itself, how can we be sure Miramax were involved in the distribution in that particular territory? I understand your concern but, Miramax did release the film. They may have done so through an agreement with a local distributor but, since that company isn't listed anywhere, I would enter Miramax because they are. Edit: I see T!M did a better job than I did. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: May 18, 2007 | Posts: 232 |
| Posted: | | | | In regard the copyright in the end credits:
It's my understanding that the copyright holder often is the main company in the chain of sister companies. So if Twentieth Century Fox is the production company, News Corporation may be the copyright holder. Probably not the best example, but you might get the idea. |
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