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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Whay are we submitting box set/child profiles for Blu-ray disc the come w/ the same movie in DVD form? Rules: Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. In my opinion more than one film would be: The Bourne Trilogy, Starship Troopers Trilogy, The Ultimate Matrix Collection, The Godfather box set, Spider-Man box set, Die Hard Collection, etc. All these are box sets, more than one film but not the same film. when we have a profile that has both wide screen and full screen of the same movie, we don't make that a box set. So why should we take a Blu-ray profile that has a DVD of the same film and make it a box set? If we are going to except profiles like this as a box set/child profile, then we should do the same for the wide screen/full screen profile as well. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't have any blu-rays, but this would annoy me too if I downloaded the profile. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dragon this is done for one main reason, DVD is NOT the same as Blu-Ray. Therefore creating a child profile for the DVD captures the data re: the DVD. Otherwise you have false image of what the set contains. T^he only other way to account for DVD would be through other features and that would be less than useful.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | However the data has already been captured by the stand alone dvd profile. Quote:
DVD is NOT the same as Blu-Ray I could also say that the widescreen is not the same as the full screen so by your theory we should make the widescreen/full screen profiles box sets too. | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | This has come up a few times now:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=356156
Has one of the discussions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dragon:
Usually the DVD for the Blu-Ray is not the same as the Stand-Alone, they many time do not have the smae exact features and so forth.. Not only that you do not make the UPC stand alone the child to the Blu-ray as the DVD has NO UPC and can only be delat with via disc id.
And as tk said this has come up a few times now and the child is way that seemed to be the preferred way and the correct way to handle it.
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Honestly, the way I would set up the Blu-rays with the dvd bonus in them, is with the Blu as the parent and the DVD as a child. This lets the DVD profile be there for those who might want it, but be able to be excluded by those who didn't and they could still have all the info they wanted in the main (blu) profile.
I think a good reason for this would be for people like me, who don't yet have a blu-ray player but might pick up one of these sets for a future time in which we may have that blu player, but in the meantime could watch the dvd (I've given some serious thought to doing this with some of the recent Disney releases). | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Whay are we submitting box set/child profiles for Blu-ray disc the come w/ the same movie in DVD form?
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The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. In my opinion more than one film would be: The Bourne Trilogy, Starship Troopers Trilogy, The Ultimate Matrix Collection, The Godfather box set, Spider-Man box set, Die Hard Collection, etc. All these are box sets, more than one film but not the same film. when we have a profile that has both wide screen and full screen of the same movie, we don't make that a box set. So why should we take a Blu-ray profile that has a DVD of the same film and make it a box set? If we are going to except profiles like this as a box set/child profile, then we should do the same for the wide screen/full screen profile as well. These are not being contributed as 'Box Sets'. They are being contributed as Bonus Feature Films. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | These examples: Quote:
Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director. The bonus disc is of a totaly different movie with different cast members. Bolt, Marly & Me, Sleeping Beauty, Princess Bride the bonus DVD is of the same film, with the same cast and crew. The film The day the Earth Stood Still has the bonus DVD of the original DVD and that would fall under Bonus Feature Films rule, not the others. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Dragon 6:
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Whay are we submitting box set/child profiles for Blu-ray disc the come w/ the same movie in DVD form?
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The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. In my opinion more than one film would be: The Bourne Trilogy, Starship Troopers Trilogy, The Ultimate Matrix Collection, The Godfather box set, Spider-Man box set, Die Hard Collection, etc. All these are box sets, more than one film but not the same film. when we have a profile that has both wide screen and full screen of the same movie, we don't make that a box set. So why should we take a Blu-ray profile that has a DVD of the same film and make it a box set? If we are going to except profiles like this as a box set/child profile, then we should do the same for the wide screen/full screen profile as well.
These are not being contributed as 'Box Sets'. They are being contributed as Bonus Feature Films. Ahhh, that wasn't made clear in the OP. Personally, I don't see what the problem is. If you don't want the bonus child, just delete it. |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Unicus on this. These should be considered bonus feature film. Even though they may very well be same cast and crew, they may have different audio and video presentation, along with different features.
Contribute BD as standard profile and added SD as bonus feature film. |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 43 |
| | Posted: | | | | dragon 6 voted no for bride wars [024543579472] because of the child profile, the people that review the Contributions didn't agree they approved it. He's voting no now on bolt [786936-774801] and princes bride [027616066848] and marley and me [024543574941] now.
If he was right the pinocchio, sleeping beauty, bedtime stories, and bride wars would need their child profiles removed.
The example in the rules was probably made before bu-ray came with dvds or they just didn't give an example for every way the rule could work for. | | | | Last edited: by rusty640 |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Dragon 6 on this. There's no justification in the rules, which specify that it would have to be a differrent movie. We don't do this if there are different cuts of a movie on different disc (see Legend, Dawn of the Dead) even though those have different running times and different music credits. I don't see why we'd do it here when the justification is much thinner. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually you are wrong there Ace_of_Sevens.... there is not any mention that it has to be a different movie in the rules for bonus movies... Rules Quote: Quote:
Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available. When creating a child profile, do not remove the "Bonus Feature Film" Disc ID from the main profile. When profiling the "Bonus Feature Film", only profile the data associated with that film. Any features associated with the Main Feature belong to the Main Feature profile. Add the additional profile to the Main Profile as a child profile via the Box Set button. Cover Images: Use the cover image from the Main Feature profile's packaging. Exception: If the "Bonus Feature Film" is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging. As you can see where I put in bold... it says Any Feature Film that is included as bonus material... and the examples given specifically says Some Examples of Bonus Feature Films. So... a DVD given out as bonus material definitely would fall within the rules here. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
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Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
* Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
* Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director. Where does a Blu-ray of a film and the bonus DVD of the same film, with the same cast and crew fall in, it does not. |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Where does a Blu-ray of a film and the bonus DVD of the same film, with the same cast and crew fall in, it does not. I'm confused about which point you are arguing. Are you contending the bonus disc: 1) Should not have a separate profile but simply have it's disc ID listed in the main (Blu-ray) profile? -or- 2) Should have a separate profile but should not utilize the box set info to be linked to the Blu-ray? -or- 3) Some other point i've missed completely? | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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