Darknite and I have been trading PMs on this.  For those playing along at home the UPC is 085391832522.

Existing writing credits (no changes proposed):

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Howard Ashman: Original Material By
Howard Ashman: Screenwriter
Charles Griffith: Original Material By

I see Ashman's OMB as proper translation of the on screen "Book and Lyrics by Howard Ashman". Menken doesn't have a credit for the Music he created for the Stage Play (i wouldn't be averse to an OMB for him also but understand why it isn't there).

Existing Music:

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Miles Goodman: Composer
Howard Ashman: Song Writer
Alan Menken: Song Writer

Proposed:

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Howard Ashman: Song Writer
Alan Menken: Composer
Miles Goodman: Composer

Darknite's position, and correct me if i am wrong, is that the initial on screen credits under "Based on the musical stage play" translate to his proposed Ashman's Song Writer and Menken's Composer credits.

I'm arguing the Music credits are correct as they are because they reflect the Composer credit (Goodman) which is followed by Ashman/Menken's credit for music in the film but not seen in the stage version.

In summary i'm arguing the existing Music credits are valid and should be left alone.

Hopefully this makes sense.

thanks for the help I guess if you write and book or even a comic book you get credits, you write Music or even the lyrics you get nothing.

thanks.

I would give Menken an OMB as well, since he is part of the "Based on..." credit.

I agree with unicus on the music credits.

Quoting Darknite:

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thanks for the help I guess if you write and book or even a comic book you get credits, you write Music or even the lyrics you get nothing.

thanks.

No, you don't get "nothing" just not a "composer" credit.  You could still get a "songwriter" credit, which is covered by the rules (provided the music/lyrics are original to the particular film.

I'd go OMB for both Ashman and Menken, since they created the Original Material that was adapted into the film from another medium.

Goodman: Composer
Ashman and Menken: Song writers.

Since there's an additional credit, the implication to me is that they must have written an additional song or more, which is pretty common in film adaptations of music scores---Oscar eligibility for one, and I think it puts them into a different royalty situation on the soundtrack album.

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I would give Menken an OMB as well, since he is part of the "Based on..." credit.

I do not know enough about musicals to argue this point, so I will bow to those who do.

If the writing section refers only to the written word that therefore excludes any OMB credit to artists for artist/writer collaborations, such as comic books.  So under that reasoning, Watchmen would get no OMB credits at all, since writer Alan Moore does not have an on-screen credit (per his choice) and Dave Gibbons, who does have the on-screen credit wouldn't get an OMB because he is the artist, and therefore did the drawing, not the writing. 

And as I said earlier, if they made a movie based on Don Giovanni, Mozart wouldn't get an OMB credit since he's the composer, by that reasoning you would only credit Da Ponte. 

Both Menken & Ashman are credited on screen for the stageplay, I firmly believe they should both get an OMB credit.

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Quoting Pantheon:

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The writing section of Profiler is exactly that IMO - it indicates the written word. Therefore Howard Ashman gets the OMB for writing the original stage script (book) and the lyrics.

IMO Alan Menken should not get an OMB in the writers section because he composed the music for the original broadway production.

The crew assignment window in the program lists 'song' as one of the appropriate roles for OMB.

I have always taken songs to mean lyrics in this case. I may be wrong - as I said, I was merely stating my opinion.