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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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You know the last few weeks I had decided to start contributing again and have done oh, I guess somewhere close to 1000 titles. In that period I have had to deal with idiots who like to make up their own Rules about almost anything, being verbally insulted and attacked by the same old cadre of users and ken allows then to get away with it. So while I am nowhere near done, I am DONE, I'll go back to not Contributing, it's simply not worth the crap and garbage i have to stomach.

This same cadre of users loves to talk about how I insult them but refuse to see how they insult and offend others, specifically me. Well, I am not going to behave based on some strange standard that si designed by the likes of some of you. I try to accept each user on his/ner own, I vene had a user recently get upset recently, very upset about an image that I submitted, to the point that the user made a comment that caused me to be curious, so I looked and the image that was tweaked belonged to the user who was complaining, now I don't want to say that the users ego got tweaked aswell...but the user did a bad job on the original scans and they could be improved pretty well. I just have to shrug my shoulders.

But it ceratinly is not worthit listening to the carping of users who DON'T contribute, or luistening to the alleged criticism of images from users who have never Contributed a single image, or in the case of one user in particular the only images he ever Contributed were not done by him and were simply imported in the mass move , he has NEVER scanned a single Cover or doner any editing and I ams supposed to,listen to an amateur that doesn't contribute, or to others who Contribute so little.

Fine, I am sorry Ken I have tried and there are still hundreds of titles in my database which are not part of the online, but I am simply not going to tolerate this crap. I try to help and for my trouble i am beaten and abused and you allow it. No, not any more. I am glad that i had not gotten very far into my E's makes for convenient stopping point...but I am finished again. I simply will not tolerate the goss behavior that i see or th....ummmm....no I won't go any farther.

To those that this thread is aimed at ajnd you know who you are i am sure, you win FO

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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Can you please clarify? Are you just done contributing or are you leaving us for good again? 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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No, I am done Contributing. So you had better for once start picking up some slack and instead of sitting back and sniping, try and become a productive member of the Community...for a change. Learn comperhension, rick a skill you definitely lack. All current Comntributions are being withdrawn


Let me add that in the last several weeks I ahve discovered exactly what kind of a mess that the Online is in, some of thus due to users not documenting their work, some of it is users making global changes and wreaking havoc on the database in the process. James and rick are the two largest problems, they pay no attention to the rules and create their own, then snipe. Rick, before you say another word i suggest that you keep in mind that i have seen some of the evil and cruel behaiviors that you are capable of, so leave it alone.

I could go into some extraordinary detail on a lot of different subjects but this Community has been totally poisoned by the accepted BAD behaviors of a FEW.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I am after the BEST database that can be created. I am niot about ego are anythingiof that nature. Buut comments that amount to Wahhh, Skip is altering my images, he doesn't own the title , he can't do that can he. That simply tells me that I am not dealing with an adult i am dealling with a child who is all about having his own ego stroked and hisname as the Contributor, I could care less I am after the best, if any user wants my images and then hooses to Contribute them, if they are an impropvement what do i care...why should i care. I only evaluate what i see.

I see lots of times where something might be a judgement call, such as oh let's say Bold vs just all caps, I will look at it and if my judgement is different, I probably won't Contribute or even vote on it, it's not that big a deal. But some around here have decided that if they cannot accept that their judgement might be different so they drag things publicly and then try to vote based on that as if it were a Rule and as has been said numerous time, that isn't Rule and can't be used to support a vote. But what the heck some users believe that they can create Rules that don't exist, SRP changes of a penny, inability to understand the rules regarding Overview pertaining to ALL, and then the sub set of television series and trying to make believe that the TV series Rule can be interpreted to Override the main Rule despite the FACT that the TV series Rules state exactly the opposite.

What galls me is that we have some users who simply could care less about the quaslity of the database. And some of these people shock even me, especially the ones that claim to fiollow the Rules, while inventing their own and deliberately taking actioions to undermine the Rules, the very Rules that some of them helped to create. Ken I suggest that we go back to the Guidelines and let the Rules of the West control the database, and we can watch the weekly flipping of data as users fight over it, and then we can always watch the entertainment of users that can't get it right the first time but repeatedly edit titles for weeks on end, the same ones over and over and over again.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantVibroCount
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Skip, you and I have disagreed on occasion about scans. I think you prefer them redder, with a higher contrast than I do, and once in a while, yours are too sharpened. But every time I point this out to you, whether in a PM or just as part of a "no" vote, you take what I am concerned about and often fix the differences... improving scans just as it should be. You are more careful about avoiding entering typing errors on your contributions than you are in your posts (you also have more typos when you are upset, and I assume you don't contribute while you are upset), but again, if anyone spots a typing error, you fix it quickly. I must agree that you want the best database we can have, and our goals are identical in this regard. It's too bad the people with whom you disagree most are driving you away from your contributions -- I was enjoying the profiles we have in common getting better... first the As, next the Bs, now the Cs. I guess I'll never see you clean up the Disney Movie Club Zorro two seasons...

I hope you decide to try again, soon. (Start from the other end of the alphabet, maybe?)
If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

Cliff
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I will never say never, Cliff. But right now i have had it with the attitides of some here. I was enjoying go through and fixing what I could right now and wishing my stuff wasn't in storage.<sigh. But I don't see myself starting again as we have users who absolutely refuse to the insult that they heap upon others while calling others for essentially defending themselves.

Take Rick's comment, for example, utterly unnecessary he just saw another chance to take a jab, if he really didn't understand what the OP wasabouty then he is not as smart as I thought he was.

I am just tired of it all, Cliff. I do hope that one day you will do some scans, I want to have something to compare to and learn from.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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Skip -

  I have no idea why you think this is in any way appropriate behavior... just don't contribute and be done with it... and since you are not contributing... you can stay out of conversations about contributions and rules as well. Create your personal database how you like, and leave the rest of us alone. All you are doing here is creating another unneeded thread to spark controversy and anger on the boards. It is a disturbance to say the least... I come here less and less because of the constant negativity... and you are always involved... it is quite a sad state of affairs.

Moderator -

  This thread should be closed or for that matter deleted because it serves no purpose to the community except to start or continue fighting.
-JoN
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I will add this, Cliff. I very seldom will cast a vote based on color, UNLESS it is way out of whack. This is because I recognize that no matter what, everything starts with the human eye, and everyone's is different and I have yet to see a calibration system for the eye. Even my software, as good as I think it is, is calibrated based on MY eyesight, there is no real neutral calibration system

This why many times when someone, anyone votes based on color, I am likely to disagree, because my eye says onething, and they're comment about color refelects a failure on their part to recognize that, that is like I said unless the color is way out of whack, which i have never done, but I have seen. For example, let's talk about skin tones for a moment, the difference between what one particular user likes to talk about sunburns, and what to him is appropriate skin tones is usually about +3 to +5 on Photoshop on their scale of + or - 100, that is a relatively insignificant change and one very easily explained by the difference in the human eye, yet he makes insulting remarks about sunburns, when to me some of the ones he likes look badly jaundiced, now unfortunately this particular user also does not Contribute Graphics, it might be fun if he did. 

I saw one today that I have to wonder about because it is BB and the base color to the image is purple...just seems wrong but  I am not certain.

Skip
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CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Skip -

  I have no idea why you think this is in any way appropriate behavior... just don't contribute and be done with it... and since you are not contributing... you can stay out of conversations about contributions and rules as well. Create your personal database how you like, and leave the rest of us alone. All you are doing here is creating another unneeded thread to spark controversy and anger on the boards. It is a disturbance to say the least... I come here less and less because of the constant negativity... and you are always involved... it is quite a sad state of affairs.

Moderator -

  This thread should be closed or for that matter deleted because it serves no purpose to the community except to start or continue fighting.

Ken:

Your attack is not appreciated. I wish that some of the users That I have talked about that don't Contribuute or very litttle would also stay out of conversations or stop starting controversial threads as well. Or as YOU yourself noted in another thread, thread which have a clear target, I believe you suggested that we all knew who was being referred to.

I am angry at a lot of people, including Ken because he sanctions some of this outrageous behavior, and i have a right to express my displeasure, and i will thank you to not try and say that I don't.

It is also a shame to see the agenda thatsome users very clearly have as is demonstrated when they start inventing Rules upon which to base a vote on, Rules that have nothing to with the REAL Rules, but do clearly demonstarte a personal agenda. Yes, james that is YOU.

Skip
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Outta here

Billy Video
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSrehtims
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I made the same decision a number of months ago, not that anybody has ever given me much lip....
but some of contributions that exist on the on-line db are so blatantly wrong It is almost looks like the errors are intentional, or they didn't give damn, or they didn't even attempt to read the contribution rules.

I feel my job is not to correct the individuals who obviously don't damn about the this db,or have any consideration dor the efforts of those who try to do their best.

When I was working, I took over too many screwed up projects and making them work. All the projects I've noted in this forum that I worked on, I was ask to take over and make them work. I made good money doing that. I got tired of people not listening to me in the first place, then coming back and asking me to fix it. That is why I retired. And I'm not doing that for people who obviously don't give a BRA.

I have contributed a few profiles, but only those that were not in the db and I try to make them as complete and correct as possible.

My priorities concerning the DVD profile is to catalog my DVDs, view all my DVDs and then if a DVD is not in the DB, I might add it to the on-line db.

I might make a few typos  hare and there, but errors that I can not stand, and I find inexcusible:
UPC different than than the cover scan.
SRP obviously the discount(retail) prive..
Changing the SRP based on cheaper rre=eleases prices,
Running time from the cover;
Ad man additions added to the DVD title
an d more.
We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln
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Fine, I am sorry Ken I have tried and there are still hundreds of titles in my database which are not part of the online


Skip,
I can see you don't want to take abuse for any changes you make, but why not reconsider at least in respect of the previously uncontributed titles as there can be no abuse with them.
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Quoting Jubal:
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being verbally insulted and attacked by the same old cadre of users and ken allows then to get away with it.


Trust me when I say this: A lot of people are wondering about the same thing.
Karsten
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Is this some sort of new trend that everyone who got some "No" votes have to start a thread where they can bitch and whine how done they are what comes to contributing? If you are done, well then just stop contributing, that's all. I cannot see any point for this thread (and all ather similar ones).  
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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... I try to help and for my trouble i am beaten and abused and you (Ken) allow it...


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    At least he didn't banned you, as he did for me when I denounced your lies... You are here overprotected by Invelos, and your whining is highly comical.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Is this some sort of new trend that everyone who got some "No" votes have to start a thread where they can bitch and whine how done they are what comes to contributing? If you are done, well then just stop contributing, that's all. I cannot see any point for this thread (and all ather similar ones).  

Kulju:

If you think thatb this is about No votes, then really don't understand, amigo,

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
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Is this some sort of new trend that everyone who got some "No" votes have to start a thread where they can bitch and whine how done they are what comes to contributing? If you are done, well then just stop contributing, that's all. I cannot see any point for this thread (and all ather similar ones).  


The point is this: some 'oldtime' users who have been around for a decade get frustrated when their contributions are criticised by users who know nothing but think they know everything.
It's also frustrating when users who sit back and do nothing expect others to do all the work for them - but still criticise when that work has errors.

Personally, it's been great to see Skip correcting errors again - and on the whole they've been great corrections. I've given his a couple of No votes...and, each time, he has corrected the error.

I can sympathize with how it feels - and sometimes it's cathartic to come in here and vent - if only so other, like-minded, users can support the decision you've made.

I support Skips decision to stop as much as his decision to continue (should he change his mind). Very few users of this program actually deserve to benefit from the minority's hard work. Most are lazy who just want to take, take, take.
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