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Bull Durham- DVD gaffe same UPC far differant version release |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I know this has come up in the past but it must be addressed again.. In 1998 Orion Video released a THX, One commentary edition of Bull Durham with no extra features.. differant upc code , Theatrical poster scans (artwork except the '98 version had a THX logo across bottom of the snapper case) ., BUT then in 2002 there came a keep case Special edition release that had two commentaries, plus four languages spoken (english/french/spanish/ portuguese,), a plethora of featurettes and trailer, as well as New Art work that said Special Edition on the cover, as well the Disc ID is different that than a 'release' from 2004 that featured the old art work from 1998 as well as the disc ID started with an 8 rather than a 9 as the 2002 edition does. There is still only two commentaries but no trailer, only three spoken languages, no portuguese language as the 2002 edition has., and NO easter egg as the 2002 edition has now. Now I know there is a 2008 edition onboard, but I only want to speak of these two editions ( out of the total of four editions on the market, region 1) ., The big problem here is the UPC is the same ., If the editions are that far out of whack,, I believe the media company (MGM) made a huge gaffe here.. So what to do what to do..,, If I change the disc to Disc ID instead of upc it won;t change anything here.. We'll still have two separate discs different information, different audio, subtitles eggs, overview, disc ID, datestamp released, different cover art but same upc.. The changed to disc id will be buried away and will not be brought out front for others to see and change. This is more than just a' re-release' it is a stripped down version that MUST be identified correctly ..
Bottom line wouldn't you want this information to be known before you buy an edition such as with only the 2002 information being used for a 2004 edition you are planning on buying?
thoughts? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am not sure what you want to do. If the UPCs are the same, your ONLY choice is to submit via disc ID. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | good point,, but which disc gets the disc ID the one starting in 8 or 9 ?? I'd say 9 is second in cue. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | As I understand it the earliest edition using a particular UPC in a given locality gets priority. That means 2002 gets the UPC and 2004 gets the DiscID... Of course the other problem is that the info in the DB right now, including the cover scans appears to be mostly from the 2004 edition. This is the same edition I own so who is going to be in charge of tracking down the 2002 version and updating everything? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with bob. The first released goes in with the UPC, the second goes in with the disc ID. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | So if I change the upc for the 2004 verison to disc ID and submit,, whio will vote for it? Probably no one as it would be a a 'new contribtion' . Then if I did the contribtution all information including cast and crew would be grandfather'd over to the new disc ID submission. So it goes in and gets accepted it would now be in the data base.. would it be easy to find?? . I usually find that MOST disc ID entries, that also have available same UPC codes have in most cases scanty profiles , bad scans and a lot of wrong info.. Scenario: Dominguez comes along,(our Portuguese friend) and wants to see what this disc jacket upc contains for the 2004 release of Bull Durham he wants to buy.. he sees, on line thru Invleos DVD profiler that the said title contains Portuguese language and subtitles in Portuguese.( keeping in mind most/all profiles on dvd jackets are not trusted sources) and as well -numerous featurettes as well as even a movie trailer.., plus an easter Egg containing a Joe Cocker song., all documented and approved for UPC code 027616874801 . He buys it and finds out later all the information he thought was true was false.. i.e he got ripped off.. Do you think he would have thought to check out maybe the 'hidden' Disc ID for the same title? and if so what locality?? I may submit locality for one country but should I cover all bases and use USA/ Canada and Quebec Canada for region 1. Has this title for region 2 or 4 have the samerelative information??? Edit: By having a Disc ID in place , when future owners of 027616874801 use Invelos hopefully they just the disc into the dvdrom tray and the two shall meet . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm going to try and locate an MGM spokeman on this see if they will exchnage my DVD disc with the same one they have in their catalogue under the same upc code.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Well I phoned 1888 223 2369 -- silly operator had no idea what i was trying to talk about.. said all copies from years ago are out of print and they have every reason to use the same upc code fopr 2004 ed as per the 2002 edition,.. When I asked her why they didn't use the same upc code for the 2008 edition she had no answer.. SO I have pulled all my contributions and submitted them via disc ID both Canada and USA locality. ( funny thing is, when it asks for Disc ID, I can only use the the 16x9 widescreen side and not the P/S side.. ) | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | This is purely a guess based on my knowledge, I am aware of 4 separate releases of bull Durham. The original snapper, then came the 2002 SE which used a slip case, the keeper had a different cover, I think this is what Terry calls the 2004 release, which would be a re-release of the SE sans Slip at a lower SRP. FRom my own scans of the slip, it would appear that it might be possible that said slip had a different UPC than the Keeper as this was before they started playing the UPC cutout game. The UPC for the 2002 skip release was 027616874801 and my Disc ID is 80D83F42AE02BFA7 for the Widescreen side and DA57A84846980249 for the Fool Screen side. Then in 2008 they released the Collector;'s Edition.
Si I am not sure but i Think terry is dealing with the naked Special Edition.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | My 2004 release version which has a 2004 date on rear jacket but was stamped in November of 2003 by its disc ID identified by using VSO inspector, has the same artwork on front cover with Costner and Saranden sitting on hood of car., The special Edition 2002 edition has the white surface of a baseball on cover with Special Edition in RED on front cover to show the extra commentary and the four featurettes , along with an egg, and a trailer et all., of which none of is available on the 2004 release., only the extra commentary is there, where as the 1998 THX version only had one commentary. The 2004 version also has no mention of Special edition anywhere on the package.. It may be striped down version but back in its day when you found this gem, on a $9.00 shelf of titles it was a discontinued title, no doubt, but a prize anyway you look at it. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Terry: This may be a Canadian issue. I cannot in the US verify ANY kind of 2004 release as you describe through any retail outlet in the US. the white slip case had the keep Case cover you described and based on what I have found (mine is, of course, in storage), it appears that there was no SE designation on the keeper...only the Slip. After the 2002 release the next solo release was the 25the Anniversary Collector's Edition in 2008. There have been several double or multi-feature releases, the last couple of years . So I am not sure, what you have gotten hold of, I have checked 7 or 8 of my usual retail suspects that are pretty good at providing comprehensive data, I did find a 2004 Boxset that included Bull Durham called the Grand Slam but no solo release. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | It exists and the back cover has both the US and Canadian ratings. Other than myself and WS4EVER I know that Kathy (an American) has a copy as she has an update pending on it as we speak. I think the 2004 was only ever contributed as a Canadian profile, however. So who knows... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Bob:
I checked some Canadian outlets and finally did find a solo release in Canada in 2004. Case solved.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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