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Title question: "Terminator Salvation" or "Terminator: Salvation"
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTaro
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My question pertains to the following release:

Terminator Salvation Blu-ray with UPC 883929049387
This release constist of the parent profile (with above-mentioned UPC), which is the Director's Cut and a child profile (submitted with disc ID), which is the Theatrical Cut.

In the online, these profiles are entered as follows, respectively:
Parent:
Title: Terminator Salvation
Edition: Director's Cut

Child:
Title: Terminator: Salvation
Edition: Theatrical Version

My question is: both titles are different yet we're talking about the same movie (only with 3 minutes added footage as the difference) and housed in the same case with the same cover. One has a column and the other doesn't. I don't see a column on the cover and also didn't see one (to my recollection) on the title screen of the movie. Therefore, I've made a contribution to remove the column in the child profile but that gets mostly NO votes, with as explanation "existing title is correct"

Now, I don't have any strong feelings either way: column or not. I just think that logically speaking both profiles should have the same title and as such, I'm asking the community which one it should be. Please try to elaborate why it should be one or the other, so that a concesus can be reached and both profile can have the same title, because as it stands now, it looks a bit ridiculous in the online.
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In the movie it's written "Terminatior Salvation", so I would delete the colon.
If it's written on the cover with colon, take with colon for title and without colon for original title.
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"Salvation" is a subtitle (smaller text under the main title), therefore "Terminator: Salvation" is correct.

How is appears in the movie or the back cover is irrelevant for the purposes of DVDP.  Only the front cover matters.

Look at the other Terminator titles:

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Terminator: The Sara Connors Chronicles

This movie is the 4th episode in the series.  The colon should remain (and be added to the other title).
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"Salvation" is a subtitle (smaller text under the main title), therefore "Terminator: Salvation" is correct.

How is appears in the movie or the back cover is irrelevant for the purposes of DVDP.  Only the front cover matters.

Look at the other Terminator titles:

Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Terminator: The Sara Connors Chronicles

This movie is the 4th episode in the series.  The colon should remain (and be added to the other title).


This is not wrong, but if you would decide to make it like this, then you would to have to add the original title. (without colon)
And this isn't made yet on the mentioned profile.
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the rules state

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Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.


Since this is a descriptor it should be Terminator: Salvation
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This is not wrong, but if you would decide to make it like this, then you would to have to add the original title. (without colon)
And this isn't made yet on the mentioned profile.


I don't see any need for an Original Title.

I don't believe any of the other Terminator titles have one, either.
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I don't see any need for an Original Title.

I don't believe any of the other Terminator titles have one, either.


Hmm, just looked up in my versions of the Terminator movies:
Terminator 2
In movie: "Terminator 2" -> line feed -> "Judgement Day"
In credit block on back cover: "Terminator 2: Judgement Day"
Terminator 3
In movie: In movie: "Terminator 3" -> line feed -> "Rise of the machines"
In credit block on back cover: "Terminator 3: Rise of the machines"
Terminator 4
In movie: In movie: "Terminator Salvation" in one line
In credit block on back cover: "Terminator Salvation"

-> I think there are differences. 
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What about...

Terminator - Salvation?!? 

But seriously I voted Terminator: Salvation.
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-> I think there are differences. 


Sometimes more information does nothing but confuse the issue.

For determining the DVDP title, we are directed to take it from the front cover...unless there is a possessive, THEN we are to check the credit block.  There is no possessive here, so the credit block is not to be used.  The actual movie title is also not to be used to determine the DVDP title.

So that leaves us with the front cover.  Looking at the covers for all of the titles in question, I see very little difference.  They should all be entered the same way; with an episode descriptor, including a colon.
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Guess I would go with the colon too, after I read Hal's post

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Thanks, Charlie, I missed that part of the rules and it does indeed seem to apply here.

So, would everyone be happy (and would it be in line with the rules) if I change titles on both profiles to read:
Title: Terminator: Salvation
Original Title: Terminator Salvation
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Thanks, Charlie, I missed that part of the rules and it does indeed seem to apply here.

So, would everyone be happy (and would it be in line with the rules) if I change titles on both profiles to read:
Title: Terminator: Salvation
Original Title: Terminator Salvation
?


Sounds Ok. 
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I don't think an Original Title is required, but I wouldn't object.
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Please remember that the CLT works with the Original Title, so the fewer varieties the better.
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Please remember that the CLT works with the Original Title, so the fewer varieties the better.

In that case, how would foreign copies write the Original Title? Since they must take it from the movie, it would be "Terminator Salvation".
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Quoting jmbox:
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Please remember that the CLT works with the Original Title, so the fewer varieties the better.

In that case, how would foreign copies write the Original Title? Since they must take it from the movie, it would be "Terminator Salvation".

No - IMHO, the rules on how we format titles for DVD Profiler purposes apply to both title fields.

There's no difference between adding a colon not seen on the cover, and adding a colon not seen in the credits. It's just the way we format titles for DVD Profiler purposes.
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