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'Iron Man' Question |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | The on-screen credit for Stan Lee, Don Heck, Larry Lieber and Jack Kirby reads: "Based on the Marvel Comic Book By". The profile for my copy of 'Iron Man' has these entered as original characters by, while I would have expected "Based on the Marvel Comic Book By" to result in an original material by credit. Checking the various entries in the database using the CLT, I find that about half of the 'Iron Man' profiles uses OMB for this, while the other half uses OCB...
So, just to be sure: what should it be? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd say OMB because it's based on the Comic. The comic is based on the characters.
But there's circular logic in there too! |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | I would go for Original characters by because it's matching so good into the notes from the credit chart : Quote: Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels. But OMB sounds also not wrong, because, like you said, it's based on the comic book by ..., so it's adapted from another medium. I dont't think in cases like this, the bound can be drawn this exact. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | This shoudl be OMB. It's adapted from specific stories they did, not just the characters. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: I would go for Original characters by because it's matching so good into the notes from the credit chart :
Quote: Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels. This is the reason I always use OCB for comic adaptations. While I can see it being argued the other way, I have a hard time going against the example given in the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | It doesn't say comic adaptations are always OCB, only that it's one situation where the credit is frequently appropriate. X-Men would be OCB because it isn't actually based on a specific story written by Stan Lee et all. Iron Man is. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | Agreed. The origin from Tales of Suspense 39 is very close to what's in the movie (updating to a more recent war, of course). | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | For comic adaptions I usually use OCB, except if the credit is something like "Based on story XY by ..." | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | It's not just based on one story though. Which is weird because that fact doesn't really help either arguement in any way. The character of Iron Monger, who appears in the movie, didn't appear in the comics until much much later in Iron Man's run (first time in armor I believe was issue #200). So it's not specifically based on one original source material by all the above mentioned people, but it is based on the character created by them. Iron Man was created by the above mentioned, which supports the original character by arguement, the origin is similar, which supports the original material by. Extra stories and characters were added in (such as Iron Monger, created by writer Dennis O'Neill), Pepper Potts (created by Stan Lee as well, but also Robert Bernstein) and James Rhodes (created by Bob Layton, Sr., David Michelinie & John Byrne). So with all those characters added in but none of the creators getting a credit, a credit or original material by seems to fit, but considering it's not based on just one story, original characters by seems to fit as well. I'm just confusing myself. The original credit in the film doesn't really help either, as it could obviously mean both for the purposes of DVDProfiler. I personally don't think it's specific enough to point out one story as the original source material, it points out the whole comic run basically, which has hundreds of writers and artists, so I voted for OCB. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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