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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should the Final Cut releases be treated as box sets, a feature with bonus films or a regular profile? Are sets like Legend, Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate Edition and I Am Legend: Ultimate Edition any different. Please discuss. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | My take: whether box sets or bonus films, children must be different movies. Different cuts of the same movie don't qualify. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
My take: whether box sets or bonus films, children must be different movies. Different cuts of the same movie don't qualify. Imho a different cut doesn't make a movie. But there are many profiles in which there's a child for one of the (bonus film) or that took both cuts as childs (box set). So this is what is made. As we're allowed on on BR/DVD-Combos to put in a child of the DVD, (with the absolute same movie, not even a different cut), I think makin' childs of the the different cut is also accepted. |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
My take: whether box sets or bonus films, children must be different movies. Different cuts of the same movie don't qualify. I agree. | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
My take: whether box sets or bonus films, children must be different movies. Different cuts of the same movie don't qualify. I agree; though one trouble is how we then show the features like commentaries; if there are more than one on different versions how do we describe the audio streams? Or do we not and just leave it as an exercise to find out? | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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My take: whether box sets or bonus films, children must be different movies. Different cuts of the same movie don't qualify.
Imho a different cut doesn't make a movie.
But there are many profiles in which there's a child for one of the (bonus film) or that took both cuts as childs (box set). So this is what is made.
As we're allowed on on BR/DVD-Combos to put in a child of the DVD, (with the absolute same movie, not even a different cut), I think makin' childs of the the different cut is also accepted. Normally I would agree, but on the other hand you have releases like "Payback: Special Edition" where Theatrical and Director's Cut are way off and make a different movie  |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Blade Runner collection is not being treated as a box set. All relevant information is, IIRC, in the main profile and not distributed among the optional child profiles.
The child profiles are optional for those who desire them. And as noted it's the same concept as creating child profiles for BD/DVD or HD/DVD combos. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace, the child profiles exist and the box set contents are in the parent profile as you know. If you succeed in removing the box set information from the parent, the child profiles will still be there. You'll just be making it more difficult to download the child profiles for those that want them. Of what benefit is that? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
The Blade Runner collection is not being treated as a box set. All relevant information is, IIRC, in the main profile and not distributed among the optional child profiles.
The child profiles are optional for those who desire them. And as noted it's the same concept as creating child profiles for BD/DVD or HD/DVD combos. Agree with this. The other thing that is different from this and releases that have two versions is in most cases the two versions are on the same disc. In this case they are on different discs and have different specifications for the different versions along with different credits (I believe). IN many ways this is more in line with the DB/DVD combos. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Ace, the child profiles exist and the box set contents are in the parent profile as you know. If you succeed in removing the box set information from the parent, the child profiles will still be there. You'll just be making it more difficult to download the child profiles for those that want them. Of what benefit is that? I totally agree. It should be left alone. The contributions of the child profiles as "bonus discs" were accepted by invelos so why do you want to remove the connection to the main profile? |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am aware of that. I am saying that by the rules, those child profiles shouldn't be there. If we change the rule, we would have to add child profiles for lots of other sets, too. |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | No one has to do anything. They are optional and don't detract from the main profile.
If the child profiles aren't worthy of linkage then you should start your crusade by getting them (the children) removed from the database and then remove the links in the main profile. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I am aware of that. I am saying that by the rules, those child profiles shouldn't be there. If we change the rule, we would have to add child profiles for lots of other sets, too. We as users cannot change the rules nor can we remove child profiles. All you can do by removing the box set contents is win the academic argument and break the links to the child profiles. I don't see that it serves any beneficial purpose to do so. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Didn't we just have this same exact discussion? Many people, and it is fine by me, have been treating these like TV Series sets. Full parent profile, with child profiles for those that want them. As these sets aren't really addressed in the rules, I have no problem with it. I don't see why anybody would...everybody gets what they want and should be happy with that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Didn't we just have this same exact discussion? Many people, and it is fine by me, have been treating these like TV Series sets. Full parent profile, with child profiles for those that want them. As these sets aren't really addressed in the rules, I have no problem with it. I don't see why anybody would...everybody gets what they want and should be happy with that. This. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Didn't we just have this same exact discussion? Many people, and it is fine by me, have been treating these like TV Series sets. Full parent profile, with child profiles for those that want them. As these sets aren't really addressed in the rules, I have no problem with it. I don't see why anybody would...everybody gets what they want and should be happy with that.
This. Agree completely. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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