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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 681 |
| Posted: | | | | I am in the process in entering a pre-release contribution for Atom Egoyan's 2009 movie "Chloe", with full cast and crew as in the copy I have been able to get my hands on. Here's a screen capture from end credits: Do you think in situations as this all of these should get OMB credit? Or only the screen writers? (which of course in this particular case is a non-issue, because the director happens to be also listed as screen writer for "Nathalie") Or none of these? This is the only credit for any previous works this movie is based on. There is a separate screen writer credit for this movie elsewhere. | | | Mika I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I would say they all get OMB if they've all been considered worthy of a credit in Chloe.
Edit: in this particular case I would probably credit Anne Fontaine twice and use "custom role" to show the difference in my local at least. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I would say they all get OMB if they've all been considered worthy of a credit in Chloe. Agreed on this. Even though I would enter Anne Fontaine only once, because: a) a double OMB entry makes no sense in my eyes b) even though the rules say different, in my eyes a "based on movie directed by" doesn't qualify for an OMB for the director. But I admit that b) might only be valid for me. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | As this is a writing credit, I would not give the director an OMB credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: As this is a writing credit, I would not give the director an OMB credit. But the "Original Material" need not be written. It's not up to us to decide whether the director did enough to warrant an OMB credit. She's credited in the film with contributing to the original material, that's all we need to know. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: As this is a writing credit, I would not give the director an OMB credit.
But the "Original Material" need not be written. It's not up to us to decide whether the director did enough to warrant an OMB credit. She's credited in the film with contributing to the original material, that's all we need to know. You will note that I did not say he couldn't give the director and OMB credit, only that I would not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I would not submit an OMB credit for a director credit.
What original material could he have possibly contributed?
The story and/or script for the original movie were not written by the Director. Unless the person who wrote the new story/and or script was there while the other guy was directing, I don't see how this could possibly be an OMB credit.
Since she is also listed for the screenplay, she does gt an OMB credit, but not for directing. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | But again you have no idea what the film-makers of Chloe were thinking when they gave the director a credit. She could have come up with some dialogue on the day of filming they wished to use, they could have been inspired by the way certain scenes were shot or paced. There are many ways the film-makers of Chloe could have been inspired by the first film, not just by the words in the script.
The important thing is the film-makers decided that she did enough to warrant an OMB credit. Of course as with Martian you're free to contribute what you want, but to make a blanket statement that directors shouldn't get OMB credits seems a bit misguided to me. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: The important thing is the film-makers decided that she did enough to warrant an OMB credit. Of course as with Martian you're free to contribute what you want, but to make a blanket statement that directors shouldn't get OMB credits seems a bit misguided to me. But the filmmakers did not give her an OMB credit, they gave her a directing credit, because that's the job she did on the film "Nathalie". It seems to me that you are trying to ascribe meaning to the credit that is unwarranted, not me. I'm not dreaming up some concept that she may have contributed in a way other than being the director. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: But the filmmakers did not give her an OMB credit, they gave her a directing credit, because that's the job she did on the film "Nathalie". But they did give her an OMB credit. Quote: Based on the motion picture "NATHALIE" directed by Anne Fontaine There have been plenty of other remakes, reboots etc. where the original director hasn't been credited like this, so that credit was given for a reason. It's not up to us to dismiss it out of hand. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I suppose it could be argued that it is a "Based on [ANYTHNG] by" credit where [ANYTHING] equals "the motion picture "Nathalie" directed". That would be OMB. I still wouldn't do it, though. But I guess, technically, I couldn't vote "no". | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: The important thing is the film-makers decided that she did enough to warrant an OMB credit. Of course as with Martian you're free to contribute what you want, but to make a blanket statement that directors shouldn't get OMB credits seems a bit misguided to me.
But the filmmakers did not give her an OMB credit, they gave her a directing credit, because that's the job she did on the film "Nathalie".
It seems to me that you are trying to ascribe meaning to the credit that is unwarranted, not me. I'm not dreaming up some concept that she may have contributed in a way other than being the director. I agree with hal on this. The film makers did not give her an OMB credit as there is no such thing. OMB is a made up credit. Does anybody else use OMB? I haven't found it anywhere but Profiler. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Profiler uses it and with specific purpose, which people keep trying to dismiss and wind up CONFUSING the issue. It's no wonder you are confused, my frioend, but if you stick with the Rules which state OMB=Adapted from another medium., and then stop trying and shoehorning things like other films and so forth into Other Medium, then you would not be confused. They are very clearly NOT OMB credit as they involve another motion picture, NOT another medium. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 681 |
| Posted: | | | | I always thought the sentence in the rule table "Adated from another medium" to mean that the movie being contributed is based on just another piece of art. Not that 'another medium' excludes every other movie it might be based on and makes them ineligible for credit. If that really is the case, then... well, I was just seeking for opinions on the matter. It seems I'm not the only one to whom the wording of the rule wasn't 100% clear cut. Anyway, thanks for your condescending attitude, Skip. Then, one might argue, that since the screenwriters of "Nathalie" are mentioned by name in "Based on [anything] by"-credit, we could give them OMB because the screenplay (for Nathalie) is certainly 'another' medium than movie... Shoe-horning the issue? Maybe. Anyway, I think these kinds of OMB credits should be allowed to be entered, as they IMHO add valuable information to the data - just as any OMB credit (for e.g. book adaptation) do. If the rules, as they stand, do not allow them, then I would like to see the rule changed in this regard - and I don't think I'm alone. Screenwriters (and perhaps directors) to a movie that later turns out to be a basis for another movie, in my eyes, should be in same position as any author, whose book does the same, as far as OMB credits go. | | | Mika I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I suppose it could be argued that it is a "Based on [ANYTHNG] by" credit where [ANYTHING] equals "the motion picture "Nathalie" directed". That would be OMB.
I still wouldn't do it, though. But I guess, technically, I couldn't vote "no". That's all I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear earlier. I'm exactly the same way when the producer of the original musical is credited alongside the writers on musical adaptations - I don't enter them myself, but can't see anything in the rules to disallow them. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote: I always thought the sentence in the rule table "Adated from another medium" to mean that the movie being contributed is based on just another piece of art. Not that 'another medium' excludes every other movie it might be based on and makes them ineligible for credit. That's the way I've always read it too. The rule says "another medium" not "a different medium". There is absolutely no reason to ignore OMB credits when they refer to an earlier film. |
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