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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Following on from this thread, how do we parse Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner ('The Bourne Supremacy')? Current CLT numbers: 2 profiles for Violetta/Gräfin/Tarnowska Bronner 6 profiles for Violetta//Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner 35 profiles for Violetta/Gräfin Tarnowska/Bronner | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Without prior knoweledge i'd go the simple route and choose Violetta/Gräfin Tarnowska/Bronner, if information pops up that Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner isd her actual last name i'd correct it at that time. However, as i say in the linked threat, i would'n consider Grafin an honorific. Is it to quick to plead for a single name field yet again  Note, this is all my personal opinion without any knowledge what so ever (at least considering this name, i do have some knowledge though  ) Paul |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting V'ger: Quote:
All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name. This is absolutely correct according to the German legal name convention. | | | | Thorsten | | | | Last edited: by kahless |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting V'ger: Quote:
All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name. Thanks very much to share this information, that allows non german users to use real names in their database. Once again CLT gives false information.  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name.
Thanks very much to share this information, that allows non german users to use real names in their database. Once again CLT gives false information.
CLT doesn't look at parsing. The fact that T!M took the time to check all parsing variants using the CLT doen´s change that fact. Paul |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kahless: Quote:
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All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name.
This is absolutely correct according to the German legal name convention. So that settles it, then? Violetta//Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner it is. Thanks to both of you! |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Would be not wrong, T!M. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting V'ger: Quote:
All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name. If that is the case, and I have no reason to doubt you, I would put "Gräfin"...and everything that follows...into the last name field. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
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All I can say is that according to german naming conventions "Gräfin" (Countess) is part of the last name, thus everything that follows is part of the last name.
Thanks very much to share this information, that allows non german users to use real names in their database. Once again CLT gives false information.
CLT doesn't look at parsing. The fact that T!M took the time to check all parsing variants using the CLT doen´s change that fact.
Paul Indeed. No matter how it is parsed, it all equals the same name as far as the CLT is concerned...this is hinted at by the fact that the Credit Lookup is a sngle name field. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
the Credit Lookup is a single name field. And what a wonderful premise that is... |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
No matter how it is parsed, it all equals the same name as far as the CLT is concerned...this is hinted at by the fact that the Credit Lookup is a sngle name field. CLT numbers just give an image of how names were entered in the database. And, as far as I understand the system, Violetta/Gräfin/Tarnowska Bronner does not link with Violetta//Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner nor with Violetta/Gräfin Tarnowska/Bronner. And T!M even forgot the variations of Violetta Gr afin Tarnowska Bronner (a instead ä) that appear in CLT. But no, the database is not a mess, and everything links perfectly... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
CLT numbers just give an image of how names were entered in the database. And, as far as I understand the system, Violetta/Gräfin/Tarnowska Bronner does not link with Violetta//Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner nor with Violetta/Gräfin Tarnowska/Bronner. And T!M even forgot the variations of Violetta Grafin Tarnowska Bronner (a instead ä) that appear in CLT.
But no, the database is not a mess, and everything links perfectly... You understand the system incorrectly. As I said, parsing is ignored...as is capitalization. As far as the CLT is concerned, because it uses the name displayed in the 'Credited As' field, Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner links with Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner/ / , Violetta Gräfin Tarnowska/ /Bronner, Violetta Gräfin/ /Tarnowska Bronner, Violetta/ /Gräfin Tarnowska Bronner, etc., etc.. No matter how you parse it, or how you capitalize it, they will all link. You are, however, correct when you say Violetta Grafin Tarnowska Bronner...a instead ä...will not link with the versions that do use the ä. So, no, everything does not link perfectly, but it is better than you think it is. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Thanks very much to share this information, that allows non german users to use real names in their database. Once again CLT gives false information.
The CLT does not give false information about parsing, it gives no information at all. The CLT is concerned with Credited As names, and these are not parsed (like some people would wish for the "common" name). | | | | Hans |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
And T!M even forgot the variations of Violetta Grafin Tarnowska Bronner (a instead ä) that appear in CLT. I didn't forget them, I just ignored them. They are, for the record, all copies of the same film, 'The Bourne Supremacy', where the credit is simply entered incorrectly. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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And T!M even forgot the variations of Violetta Grafin Tarnowska Bronner (a instead ä) that appear in CLT.
I didn't forget them, I just ignored them. They are, for the record, all copies of the same film, 'The Bourne Identity', where the credit is simply entered incorrectly. In profile credit or in movie credit? |
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