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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Today I submitted a profile for another UPC for "Rize". I couldn't help but notice that the original submission claimed the info came from IMDB and other sources.
As usual, there was bad information in there, and I'm thinking: Didn't I read somewhere that we only put in stuff from previous profiles or gotten by reviewing the credits?
Why are we doing this?
I've gone to submit what I thought were "scan only" updates of profiles identified as "pre-release", and most of the time there's wrong stuff in there too.
Can't we somehow expire this stuff automatically a certain time after it's posted, so that wrong info doesn't stay in the database forever?
I thought the whole plan for the database was to sacrifice completeness for accuracy. |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can always correct the info, note that the previous contributor used not-allowed 3rd party sources, and contribute the correct info, and say that used used allowed sources. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote:
I thought the whole plan for the database was to sacrifice completeness for accuracy. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but where did you get the idea that what you say is Invelos' plan?  I know there are those here who wish for that, but there are also those here who want the opposite. I believe IVS used to boast something like the largest and most accurate database available, now it is changed to this: Quote:
With an enormous community of dedicated users worldwide, DVD Profiler has become the most compelling source of DVD information anywhere. Not largest, not the most complete and not the most accurate. Just "compelling" (which actually I find pretty  ) Ken has stated that they will accept a complete profile even it is has known mistakes. I'm sure someone will pop in with the link if this thread keeps going  Just so I am not misunderstood if the original contribution says in the notes the cast or crew information came from IMDb it most certainly should not have been accepted. Keep in mind though IMDb along with other sources can be used to document some changes. |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Ken has stated that they will accept a complete profile even it is has known mistakes. The best arguement for a field by field approved/declined feature if I've heard one yet. Decline the mistakes, allow the good stuff. Would stop a ton of bad data from getting in the system. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Very early on I got Skip's perspective on this, and thought it was authoritative.
Agree on the field by field declined feature.
And yes, the original Rize submission listed IMDB by name as the source of info.
I think it should be our rule that unverified information should only be in the database for a specific period of time.
The whole concept of "pre-release" info is that the DVD is actually going to be "coming soon" ...
I don't think it's too much to ask for submitters to actually SEE what they're submitting. I think the idea of seeing it in the credits is rigorous, but accurate.
Otherwise we should just be importing the information from IMDB wholesale and then letting anyone who cares correct it. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote:
Today I submitted a profile for another UPC for "Rize". I couldn't help but notice that the original submission claimed the info came from IMDB and other sources.
As usual, there was bad information in there, and I'm thinking: Didn't I read somewhere that we only put in stuff from previous profiles or gotten by reviewing the credits? I think it's a case of the screeners being only human. It all depends on what info is being added, but in most cases our primary source is the DVD itself, if the data can't be found there then we look further afield, and that's when IMDB and other sources are allowed. It would be very nice to be able to pick and choose fields for declining and accepting, but that would mean voting on fields. I can see that getting very unwieldy very quickly. I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released. |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | What if you could vote yes or no, and still point out errors for the reviewers to fix?
Why does the submitter have to fix any / all errors?
That's why I think a bit more back & forth in the voting comments would do a lot of good.
I've recently had people vote against my stuff and say why, so I withdrew the submission, attempted to address the problem and re-submitted.
Right now there is no mechanism, save for PM or this forum, to ask a submitter to re-check something.
I know lots of people that use the surf the internet and do email but they're totally terrified by the technology of using a forum. Maybe there could be a less intimidating in between that wouldn't involve being a daily lounge lizard in the contribution discussion forum.
I think we represent a tiny percentage of the programs users here. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released. I second this preference. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released.
I second this preference. Of course there are people who get DVDs or Blu-rays weeks beforehand so I wouldn't support a lock out (not sure if that what was being referred to as a "wholesale ban") on submitting cast and crew until titles are released... | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
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I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released.
I second this preference.
Of course there are people who get DVDs or Blu-rays weeks beforehand so I wouldn't support a lock out (not sure if that what was being referred to as a "wholesale ban") on submitting cast and crew until titles are released... I agree with this. I sometimes get movies a month or more before they are released, and while I generally don't submit cast and crew, I have submitted a few on my review copies. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released.
I second this preference.
Of course there are people who get DVDs or Blu-rays weeks beforehand so I wouldn't support a lock out (not sure if that what was being referred to as a "wholesale ban") on submitting cast and crew until titles are released...
I agree with this. I sometimes get movies a month or more before they are released, and while I generally don't submit cast and crew, I have submitted a few on my review copies. That seems like it would be reasonably easy to deal with - accept cast & crew before release date only in conjunction with a Disc ID in the profile. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
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I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released.
I second this preference.
Of course there are people who get DVDs or Blu-rays weeks beforehand so I wouldn't support a lock out (not sure if that what was being referred to as a "wholesale ban") on submitting cast and crew until titles are released...
I agree with this. I sometimes get movies a month or more before they are released, and while I generally don't submit cast and crew, I have submitted a few on my review copies.
That seems like it would be reasonably easy to deal with - accept cast & crew before release date only in conjunction with a Disc ID in the profile.  I can get behind that. I tend to submit the Disc ID with new submissions anyway. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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I'd prefer a wholesale ban on cast and crew until the DVD is released.
I second this preference.
Of course there are people who get DVDs or Blu-rays weeks beforehand so I wouldn't support a lock out (not sure if that what was being referred to as a "wholesale ban") on submitting cast and crew until titles are released...
I agree with this. I sometimes get movies a month or more before they are released, and while I generally don't submit cast and crew, I have submitted a few on my review copies.
That seems like it would be reasonably easy to deal with - accept cast & crew before release date only in conjunction with a Disc ID in the profile.
I can get behind that. I tend to submit the Disc ID with new submissions anyway. As do I.  |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
I can get behind that. I tend to submit the Disc ID with new submissions anyway. It's the single easiest way I can see to make sure someone is holding a disc when they do a submission. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is also acceptable to submit cast / crew listed on the cover for pre releases. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
It is also acceptable to submit cast / crew listed on the cover for pre releases. @ Lassiter - for the record ^ is an authoritative source. Unless you see  as their icon they are just a user like you and me expressing their opinion.  @ Ken, thanks for the clariication. |
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