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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a considerable number of these sets, thanks to Big Lots and their cheap, cheap DVDs. The vast majority of them are not in the database, but a couple of them are and the titles are not uniformly done. So, how would you title a box set that looked like this (here are two examples, but all the boxes have the same format):   AMC Classic Capers and AMC The Old West AMC: Classic Capers and AMC: The Old West Classic Capers and The Old West The interior boxes are all ThinPaks (or in one case, envelopes) and have the same format as this one:  On the spine it says AMC Sherlock Holmes Hollywood Classics AMC Sherlock Holmes AMC: Sherlock Holmes AMC Sherlock Holmes Hollywood Classics AMC: Sherlock Holmes Hollywood Classics AMC Sherlock Holmes: Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon / The Woman in Green AMC: Sherlock Holmes: Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon / The Woman in Green AMC: Sherlock Holmes Hollywood Classics: Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon / The Woman in Green Phew. Anyway, as I said all of them have the same format, only the details differ. Any opinions appreciated. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would go for
Title: Classic Capers
Edition: American Movie Classics
For the included movies I would go for the movie titles divided with / with the same Edition:
Title: Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon / The Woman in Green
Edition: American Movie Classics |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seems to me that the set is AMC Movies and the edition would be Classic Capers or The Old West. Very similiar to the 4 Film Favorites box sets that are available. Do an Add By Title and use 4 Film Favorites as the title and you will see what I am talking about. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Seems to me that the set is AMC Movies and the edition would be Classic Capers or The Old West. Very similiar to the 4 Film Favorites box sets that are available. Do an Add By Title and use 4 Film Favorites as the title and you will see what I am talking about. I've never understood that particular choice made by the community for the 4 Film Favorites collections. We've actually chosen to make the titles in the line identical only to be seperated by edition information even though each title is completely different from another, when it would make much more sense to have a group of different titles bound together by being in the same edition or collection. Locally, I've taken every one of those that I own and reversed them because the way we currently have them in the online just seems silly. In my mind, both the 4 Film Favorites and now this AMC Classics line are no different than the Criterion Collection: A series of unrelated releases that share a common format. The only thing that's missing is the spine numbering. The bottom line for me is, someone is much more likely to ask if I own Batman, and I'd answer yes, the 4 Film Favorites version. I find it much less likely for someone to ask me if I own 4 Film Favorites, and I answer yes, the Batman version. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I get this correctly, we have a release series named "American Movie Classics", which gets abbreviated to "amc". Each release of this series has a different topic (e.g. "The Old West")
This leaves two options:
1) You interpret "amc" as name of the series, then it would be amc: Classic Capers all in title field
2) You interpret "amc" as edition, then it would be Classic Capers as title and amc (or American Movie Classics) in the edition field
I'd prefer option 1, but this might only be me. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Seems to me that the set is AMC Movies and the edition would be Classic Capers or The Old West. Very similiar to the 4 Film Favorites box sets that are available. Do an Add By Title and use 4 Film Favorites as the title and you will see what I am talking about.
I've never understood that particular choice made by the community for the 4 Film Favorites collections. We've actually chosen to make the titles in the line identical only to be seperated by edition information even though each title is completely different from another, when it would make much more sense to have a group of different titles bound together by being in the same edition or collection. Locally, I've taken every one of those that I own and reversed them because the way we currently have them in the online just seems silly.
In my mind, both the 4 Film Favorites and now this AMC Classics line are no different than the Criterion Collection: A series of unrelated releases that share a common format. The only thing that's missing is the spine numbering.
The bottom line for me is, someone is much more likely to ask if I own Batman, and I'd answer yes, the 4 Film Favorites version. I find it much less likely for someone to ask me if I own 4 Film Favorites, and I answer yes, the Batman version. I agree with all of this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I agree with all of this. Me too. I actually think Amazon got it right, and we got it wrong. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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I agree with all of this.
Me too. I actually think Amazon got it right, and we got it wrong. Count me in as well. Because of the title, I completely separated all the films from the collections (of the ones I own, which might only be one or two) into their own separate listings. I think we got overly technical for this one (and these kinds of entries). 4 Film Favorites does nothing for me or for my collection, doesn't sit in my collection where I have it placed on my shelf (why would I organize the Lethal Weapons films under 4?) and doesn't make sense to me. Having it titled as Lethal Weapon: 4 Film Favorites is just so much... easier.  As for the original question... (sorry... went off topic there!!  ), relating back to my opinion (and it's just my personal opinion), I would enter the title as Sherlock Holmes instead of American Movie Classics (or AMC). Actually, I'd probably just spearate them all into their own listings and ignore the boxset option. Makes life simpler for me. So my opinion doesn't really count I suppose!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
The bottom line for me is, someone is much more likely to ask if I own Batman, and I'd answer yes, the 4 Film Favorites version. I find it much less likely for someone to ask me if I own 4 Film Favorites, and I answer yes, the Batman version. What if I ask you this question. Do you own any decent inexpensive box sets you could recommend? To me "sure, the 4 film favorites sets are just what you are looking for. There's a bunch of them by actor, director, genre and even movies." would be a lot more helpful than you answering "Batman". Anyone can word a question where the answer proves what they are saying is a better way to go.  It's not that critical to me either way. I own one 4 Film Favorites and don't see myself getting the AMC ones. If the majority thinks using the edition is better that's OK by me. But let's not use some made up question that can just as easily be used against as the reason for it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just checked some of my titles where I have more than one that, in my opniion, is similar. The Signature Collection series of box sets. I've got 16. All of them are titled as: Actor: The Signature Series All in the title field. Looks like once again we have some inconsistency here.  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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The bottom line for me is, someone is much more likely to ask if I own Batman, and I'd answer yes, the 4 Film Favorites version. I find it much less likely for someone to ask me if I own 4 Film Favorites, and I answer yes, the Batman version.
What if I ask you this question. Do you own any decent inexpensive box sets you could recommend? To me "sure, the 4 film favorites sets are just what you are looking for. There's a bunch of them by actor, director, genre and even movies." would be a lot more helpful than you answering "Batman". Anyone can word a question where the answer proves what they are saying is a better way to go.
It's not that critical to me either way. I own one 4 Film Favorites and don't see myself getting the AMC ones. If the majority thinks using the edition is better that's OK by me. But let's not use some made up question that can just as easily be used against as the reason for it. Okaaay, but I can easily tell somebody about some inexpensive sets from personal purchasing experience. I don't need a poorly titled profile to do that. However, if somebody went to my online to borrow Batman, they'd likely never find it with our current naming convention unless I drastically mess with the sort order. Better yet, show of hands: how many people have tried to add one of these 4 Film Favorites by name to their wishlist and couldn't find it, until they finally decided to search for "4"? I know I have, and that makes it counter-intuitive to me. Just my opinion, of course. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Better yet, show of hands: how many people have tried to add one of these 4 Film Favorites by name to their wishlist and couldn't find it, until they finally decided to search for "4"? I know I have, and that makes it counter-intuitive to me. Just my opinion, of course. When I added mine I was amazed at now many more there were since I started with "4" Different strokes I guess. To clarify it a bit though the ones I have (I was incorrect, I have two of these) are titled 4 Film Favorites: Children's Fantasy 4 Film Favorites: Family Adventures With these two examples it makes a lot more sense to do it how we currently do it. "Children's Fantasy" just didn't seem right as the title to me. I do see where some of them it makes more sense to do it the way you suggest though. As I said, whatever the decision everyone comes up with is OK with me.  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | At the end of the day, I wasn't advocating we go back and change all the 4 Film Favorites profiles, I can do that myself locally. I was just questioning whether we actually wanted to perpetuate the logic behind it with yet another series. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have 10 of these sets.
Each set contains either 2, 3, 5 or 12 discs each in an individual thinpack (or an envelope, in the 12 disc set - excepting the 2 disc set, which is just the two discs in a keep case). Each thinpack or envelope has its own UPC, so that's convenient for profiling.
Each single-sided disc contains 2 movies.
I say all that so you get an idea of the format.
Currently in my local I have them set up this way (using this one as an example)
AMC: Classic Capers
- AMC: Great Detectives Classics: Bulldog Drummond Escapes / Mr. Moto's Last Warning
- AMC: Great Detectives Classics: The Mandarin Mystery / The Triumph of Sherlock Holmes
- AMC: Crime Hollywood Classics: Kansas City Confidential / Detour
Now, if I'm understanding what some folks think is correct, this is what is thought it should be:
Title [Edition]
Classic Capers [American Movie Classics]
- Great Detective Classics: Bulldog Drummond Escapes / Mr. Moto's Last Warning [American Movie Classics]
- Great Detective Classics: The Mandarin Mystery / The Triumph of Sherlock Holmes [American Movie Classics]
- Crime Hollywood Classics: Kansas City Confidential / Detour [American Movie Classics]
Or do you mean it this way?
Classic Capers [American Movie Classics]
- Bulldog Drummond Escapes / Mr. Moto's Last Warning [AMC: Great Detectives Classics]
- The Mandarin Mystery / The Triumph of Sherlock Holmes [AMC: Great Detectives Classics]
- Kansas City Confidential / Detour [AMC: Crime Hollywood Classics] | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield | | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I'm doing it, I pick your last version. I try to get what is unique in the title and save all the repeated branding junk for the edition. Which Mr. Moto's Last Warning? Why the AMC edition. I can understand why people choose to do it differently and god knows, we likely have examples of all three variants in the online. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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