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Animation Cast (Musical Instrument)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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If you have a cast member in a animated film who is credited for playing a musical instrument do you still tick the voice check box?

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It almost sounds like it's a sound effect.

Even though it's an animated film I wouldn't check the voice box since it's not an actual voice. And as long as the person is indeed part of the cast I would just enter them as you would any other cast member.


But I could see how someone could say it's the "voice" of the musical instrument and the person isn't playing a musical instrument themselves. Just supplying the sound of it. But again, that almost sounds like it's a sound effect.
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Provided they're credited with the cast, I would say yes - because you are only hearing the sound, rather than seeing them play, as with any cast in an animated feature.
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I agree with CubbyUps - if you tick the voice box, people may think the person is providing the voice of a speaking musical instrument, so I would suggest not to.

I don't know the credit in question so don't know if there's any better way of crediting them.
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Provided they're credited with the cast, I would say yes - because you are only hearing the sound, rather than seeing them play, as with any cast in an animated feature.

I would go with this.

We can't see the actor (in this case the musician), so it shouldn't get the normal credit. As we don't have another choice to mark an actor as not see-able, I would go with marking as voice only.
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We don't generally credit music performers (unless they also have an actual role) in live movies, so why do it differently for animated movies?
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Provided they're credited with the cast, I would say yes - because you are only hearing the sound, rather than seeing them play, as with any cast in an animated feature.

I would go with this as well.
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Provided they're credited with the cast, I would say yes - because you are only hearing the sound, rather than seeing them play, as with any cast in an animated feature.

I would go with this as well.

agree
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We don't generally credit music performers (unless they also have an actual role) in live movies, so why do it differently for animated movies?

We do credit music performers in lives movies when they are credited as cast. But then they are usually seen on screen. Therefore I would tick the voice check box for musicians in animation movies, if they are credited as cast, because they are not seen (voice/music role).
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Well, I'm a fairly simple guy: if Mr. Blanchard's voice isn't heard, I won't be checking the "voice" box... 
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Well, I'm a fairly simple guy: if Mr. Blanchard's voice isn't heard, I won't be checking the "voice" box... 

For me the "voice only" check box is more a "not seen on screen but only heard" check box.
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For me the "voice only" check box is more a "not seen on screen but only heard" check box.

I follow this line of thinking as well.  In addition, the rules say nothing about it having to be a voice role...

For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox.

...note it says for animated films OR voice-only roles.  Well, this is an animated film so...use the "Voice" checkbox.
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Well, I'm a fairly simple guy: if Mr. Blanchard's voice isn't heard, I won't be checking the "voice" box... 

For me the "voice only" check box is more a "not seen on screen but only heard" check box.

So it's like Production Year and Genre, and is a label that actually means something else. We should be getting used to that by now.
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So it's like Production Year and Genre, and is a label that actually means something else. We should be getting used to that by now.

What's wrong with profiler's definition of production year? A film is in production until it is released (of course there is an exception to everything).

What's the definition of genre? I don't think there is a universal definition. Therefore profiler's definition is as good as every other.
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It's not so much the definitions that are a problem, but the labels that go with them. Of course the definitions that DVDP applies are correct (by definiition) for its internal use.

The problem with "Production Year" is that we take it to mean the year of the first theatrical release (often one or even more years later), whereas e.g. the copyright notice often has the actual production year.

The problem with "Genre" is that we use it for other types, like Television, Classic etcetera.

Not that I care one way or another, but people that don't visit the forum, can't be blamed for being confused occasionally, by the mere choice of the labels that we apply.
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The problem with "Production Year" is that we take it to mean the year of the first theatrical release (often one or even more years later), whereas e.g. the copyright notice often has the actual production year.

As I have said: as long as the film is not (theatrical) released, it is still in production.
The copyright year would also be something different than the production year in many cases. But it would be easier to document.
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The problem with "Genre" is that we use it for other types, like Television, Classic etcetera.

Again, what is a genre? Why should drama be a film genre but classic not? All depends on the definition of those genres. A strict definition of drama and comedy would only allow those for Greek theatre plays.
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