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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTwelveMonkeys
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As the slipcase for this blu-ray is reflective, the scans have never been very impressive. I recently made up my own front from a scan of the keep case insert and added the banner from the slip in Photoshop. The result is identical to the slip, and a much better image. I had assumed doing this was probably against the rules, so never bothered to contribute. But reading the rules I found this,

"If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image."

I submitted, so far have 4 yes votes and 2 no votes, the latter claiming I have to use the original slipcase. Which is right?
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In my opinion what you made is not contributable... because as you admitted yourself you edited (added the banner) in photoshop. You had to add to the image to make it match the slip cover exactly. As is it wouldn't be identical as the rules request. So if I had it I would have been a no vote... that is my thoughts at least.
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If, like you say, the result of your Photoshop exercise is indeed an exact match of the slip cover, then I can see no reason to vote against it. The alternative which Pete is favouring - scanning the reflective slipcase - would involve heavy editing before anything presentable can be achieved, so as far as I'm concerned BOTH ways involve modification of original scans. And given the choice, I would much prefer a quality result.

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If your scans were to be declined, please put them on-line somewhere and post a link for those that want them. (I don't have this, but I'm sure some fellow users would be interested in your scans.)
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I understand what you are saying... but the difference that I see is that the contributor had to add a complete section to the cover to make it match.
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If the two were combined from one source - IE, you used the banner from the original and you made a new slip cover scan, I'd accept it. However, as one part of the image is from the slip & another part is from the cover, I would vote no on this if I had it.
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I agree, I don't think there's anything wrong using Photoshop to mock-up a cover that matches the original if the original itself can't be scanned for any particular reason.
I don't own Avatar so don't know how reflective it is, but if the new scans look like the slipcase and are a significant improvement over what's there now, I don't really care how they were made.
And I don't think we should get too hung up on the word "identical". Gerri herself has said minor differences are allowed as long the scans are better than the current ones.
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Going strictly by the rules I guess your new creations wouldn't be admissable, but if I've interpreted what you've said correctly I'd still throw you a Yes vote. I'll take a rule-bending but useful contribution over a super-strict-rule-following but useless contribution any day of the week.
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Exactly. In my book, the rules are a means to an end.

And besides: it's not like the added banner came from anywhere else than the release in question. If that were the case, I would object.
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The profile in question is 5039036043908. I haven't looked myself yet because I'm having issues refreshing my online collection.

Edit: I've just had a look, and I think the new images look fine. You can't see the join and because it's not reflective the colours are much sharper and you get proper white spots instead of the black ones where the spots are reflecting the silver on the slipcase. I would vote "yes" on those images with no problem.
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I have always hated this rule, and this is the reason why.  We are forced to accept a craptastic image simply because the inner cover isn't an exact match.  In my opinion, the rule should be changed.

As to the issue at hand, while I am torn, I have to agree with Pete.  The rules don't allow for a cut-and-paste image.
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It might just be me, but I can't see Formerly's images, so in case anybody else can't see them here are the fronts again:

Old


New


Personally I can't see anything in the rules that prevents composite images being submitted. People already use Photoshop to remove scratches, dust, even rounded corners. I see this as just a more sophisticated tidy-up of an image.
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Indeed, I think most images submitted have been manipulated one way or the other. If it looks like the real thing, I don't care how it was made.
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While I understand where people who can't vote Yes to the new image are coming from, I will never understand why someone would vote No. If you can't make yourself vote Yes because you prefer to strictly adhere to the rules, yet you feel these images ought to be allowed, why on earth not just click Neutral?

As far as I'm concerned, voting No on this submission does not help the database in any way, shape or form. And isn't that why we're voting anyway? To try to improve the database? That's certainly why I vote, and not because I enjoy following a set of rules.

And then there's the point about Photoshop. While there's obviously a difference between this and some dust removal, it's certainly in the same ballpark. And I've gotta admit I see zero difference between this and rounding corners. Yeah, one is a little more invasive than the other, but they both involve using existing elements to create something new that look extremely similar to the real thing.
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While I understand where people who can't vote Yes to the new image are coming from, I will never understand why someone would vote No. If you can't make yourself vote Yes because of you prefer to strictly adhere to the rules, yet you feel these images ought to be allowed, why on earth not just click Neutral?

As far as I'm concerned, voting No on this submission does not help the database in any way, shape or form. And isn't that why we're voting anyway? To try to improve the database? That's certainly why I vote, and not because I enjoy following a set of rules.

Agreed!
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I have always hated this rule, and this is the reason why.  We are forced to accept a craptastic image simply because the inner cover isn't an exact match.  In my opinion, the rule should be changed.


It has been stated that small differences are acceptable and it doesn't have to be an exact match, though I'm not sure where the line is drawn wrt a banner like this added later
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